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corey012778 12-17-2010 06:00 PM

isn't the socom one of the large caliber round alternatives in the AR?


I am cheap, I would go with the gold dots.

Gm54-120 12-17-2010 06:15 PM


Originally Posted by builder459 (Post 3743262)
GM what exactly is a socom? not familiar with it thanks.

They look like this


I used them in my 54 this year with 120gr BH209. They are designed for a 458SOCOM M4/M16 "upper" and roughly 1900fps. About $42 for 50 and yes it is over priced but they shot great with a max load. Knocked the snot out of 2 deer this year also.

A 50-300gr GD/DC would probably have done just as well at under 150 yards for half the cost. I like my Barnes but GoldDots/DeepCurls are extremely predictable and consistent on impact.

builder459 12-17-2010 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 3743281)
They look like this


I used them in my 54 this year with 120gr BH209. They are designed for a 458SOCOM M4/M16 "upper" and roughly 1900fps. About $42 for 50 and yes it is over priced but they shot great with a max load. Knocked the snot out of 2 deer this year also.

A 50-300gr GD/DC would probably have done just as well at under 150 yards for half the cost. I like my Barnes but GoldDots/DeepCurls are extremely predictable and consistent on impact.

Interesting bullet and i also like my barnes lol and i also like my GD's/DC's for the same reason and the cost factor also lol. i would think the 300 gr DC/GD would be a good 200 yd bullet with it's high BC and the extra energy it carries at that yardage.i ask since i will trying the 300 gr soon,longer shots are common here where i hunt.

Gm54-120 12-17-2010 07:08 PM

builder459

That bullet was my "toy" i played with this year. It shot so well with a max load i had to try it in the field. The little 54 carbine actually out shot my Extreme 50 with the same bullet.

The 45-300gr DC/GD should work great over a wide range too. I prefer to push them just a little hard...110gr roughly depending on groups.

lemoyne 12-17-2010 07:26 PM

Well since I had trouble with getting the Barns to open at close range and high velocity I have been using Gold Dot or Deep Curl 250 gr as they are now call I use 110 in one gun and 115 in an other of Blackhorn. Hit just about the heat all the deer I have shot with them have dropped on the spot of course part of the reason for that is where they are hit. There Is no bullet that will turn a poor hit into a good one.
For bigger animals I would use the 300 gr or a Lehigh bullet in the 275 gr and up range but the 250 Deep Curl is a very nice balance to deer and Boar. I normally have a very nice exit hole so I really don't know what more you could ask of a bullet.

builder459 12-18-2010 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by lemoyne (Post 3743312)
Well since I had trouble with getting the Barns to open at close range and high velocity I have been using Gold Dot or Deep Curl 250 gr as they are now call I use 110 in one gun and 115 in an other of Blackhorn. Hit just about the heat all the deer I have shot with them have dropped on the spot of course part of the reason for that is where they are hit. There Is no bullet that will turn a poor hit into a good one.
For bigger animals I would use the 300 gr or a Lehigh bullet in the 275 gr and up range but the 250 Deep Curl is a very nice balance to deer and Boar. I normally have a very nice exit hole so I really don't know what more you could ask of a bullet.

so Lee have you hot the .250 gr gold dot at deer out to 200 yds with good results and accuracy?or is it your feeling the 300 is better..thanks Ray

builder459 12-18-2010 08:01 AM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 3743304)
builder459

That bullet was my "toy" i played with this year. It shot so well with a max load i had to try it in the field. The little 54 carbine actually out shot my Extreme 50 with the same bullet.

The 45-300gr DC/GD should work great over a wide range too. I prefer to push them just a little hard...110gr roughly depending on groups.

Yes i figured the 300 gr would have to be pushed to stableize
it, sabotloader and now you have confirmed that. thanks Ray

zakjak711 12-18-2010 08:19 AM

gold dot
 
Gold dots for the $$$.
They are good bullets if your gun likes em.

Gm54-120 12-18-2010 11:50 AM

builder459

Accuracy is a big part of it but IMO you wont be able to push the 300gr too hard. It will perform predictably no matter how hard you push it in a ML.

The 250gr with its huge deep hollow point might not do as well with heavy charges if the range is really close. Thats a BIG might since i have never confirmed my theory. I prefer the 250gr with around 80-100gr if there is a big chance of a really close shots. If it is more likely you will be shooting a bit further (100-150yards), either should perform very well. Past 150 yards i almost always go with a heavier bullet.

I just prefer to keep a bullet close to its designed velocity at impact.

Its only my opinion that the 300gr will get the job done at any reasonable distance with the heavier charges. More recoil IMO would be the only negative. Another reason i like the 300gr is, you can buy an even cheaper Uni-Cor 300gr soft point for practice.

builder459 12-18-2010 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Gm54-120 (Post 3743647)
builder459

Accuracy is a big part of it but IMO you wont be able to push the 300gr too hard. It will perform predictably no matter how hard you push it in a ML.

The 250gr with its huge deep hollow point might not do as well with heavy charges if the range is really close. Thats a BIG might since i have never confirmed my theory. I prefer the 250gr with around 80-100gr if there is a big chance of a really close shots. If it is more likely you will be shooting a bit further (100-150yards), either should perform very well. Past 150 yards i almost always go with a heavier bullet.

I just prefer to keep a bullet close to its designed velocity at impact.

Its only my opinion that the 300gr will get the job done at any reasonable distance with the heavier charges. More recoil IMO would be the only negative. Another reason i like the 300gr is, you can buy an even cheaper Uni-Cor 300gr soft point for practice.

GM i agree with you on every point,exception being the .250 at cloer range's with over 100 gr charge.according to LEE he's taken shots from 30 out to if i remember correctly 175-200? and it worked flawlessly.i am totally with you on the 300 and it's additional energy out further and it's better BC.the little bit of extra recoil with the 300 doesn't bother me at all.how much cheaper are the uni's lol?

Ray


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