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TC Moving from NH to Ma.
For you TC fans. Thompson Center is moving their operations from NH to Ma. Hope this does not create shipping problems with Ma strict gun laws.
http://www.wmur.com/money/26075325/detail.html |
PS, I hope their quality and customer service don't suffer.
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jeez the 2 big dogs are moving this year LOL. CVA is moving to a bigger upscale building for more storage. Exactly why is TC moving
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gee MD what are you doing,gloating over the displacement of hard working americans.how nice.........karl
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Huh? Where did u come up with that?
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3737685)
Exactly why is TC moving
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IMO S&W only wanted their tooling
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When a large group aquires another eventually someone's job is gone BIG GREEN did the same thing to Marlin and H&R you can't even buy an H&R muzzy now.
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I hope this isn't bad news for TC as I just bought an Encore last spring.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3737810)
IMO S&W only wanted their tooling
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Originally Posted by Grouse45
(Post 3737809)
Down sizing with out a doubt. I say they are sold by June 2011.
On what basis? |
Originally Posted by 7.62NATO
(Post 3738088)
On what basis?
Just an Opinion, nothing else. |
S&W has a huge, modern, factory and office campus in Springfield, Ma. With TC/ S&W long gun sales up 26% over last year, I'll speculate the question was 'expand in NH or bring them under the big roof in Springfield?' My understanding is the foundry (NH) will remain in operation though it is for sale.
FG/MD54, I could play your innuendo game and wonder aloud about the looming Spanish debt crisis it's the potential for social unrest in the volatile Basque gunmaking region. How that might adversely affect quality, price, and availability of firearms made there, but, I can see the forest though the trees, I know that competition spurs innovation, keeps pricing fair, and quality up. If CVA is doing well, I say good for them! Our American firearms industry is one of the reasons we win wars and enjoy the benefits of a liberty that has been paid for with the blood of American patriots. If it wasn't for the jobs and financial support (NRA, Lobbyists, industry PACs, etc.) that the industry represents, the Second Amendment might just be further on the way to becoming a historical curiosity. Keep beating your anti- T/C drum. One day, it may be the only friend you have. |
geee i remember an american firearm that sure killed a lot of our troops due to constant jamming.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738159)
geee i remember an american firearm that sure killed a lot of our troops due to constant jamming.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738159)
geee i remember an american firearm that sure killed a lot of our troops due to constant jamming.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738159)
geee i remember an american firearm that sure killed a lot of our troops due to constant jamming.
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MountainDevil54
geee i remember an american firearm that sure killed a lot of our troops due to constant jamming. What the heck does that have to do with muzzleloading???? Shoot! if you only knew what happened during war time... it really is not pretty and you have to learn to survive something that i am sure is foreign to you. |
Everytime I think he can't top the last one, he manages to do so - and then fade from the thread as if nothing happened.
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Its not worth an argument with typical crew that just post things to put me down and offer nothing else to the forum.
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Originally Posted by kb1
(Post 3738208)
i have no idea whatsoever that statement has to do with T/C.but i will say it shows this vietnam era vet what kind of scum you are.your daddy ought to slap ya upside the head and take your computer away till you grow up.........karl
As a Nam era AirForce brat that spent his childhood overseas and as a good friend of one of the few surviving tunnel rats (Rice Paddy vets in St Charles) )who is alive because of an American made weapon. I totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you for your service Karl |
most likely wasnt that black plastic piece of crap. My dad and uncle told me stories about how they couldnt even get through a full clip without that crap jamming up.
Never heard anything bad about the weapons used in korea, then again my uncle mainly controlled the 50cals and mortars LOL. |
MD
Yes actually it was and he brought home the Mosin he took from what was left of him But that isnt the point and its obvious you will never understand. BTW tell your dad and uncle...Thank you for their service from me. |
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738712)
most likely wasnt that black plastic piece of crap. My dad and uncle told me stories about how they couldnt even get through a full clip without that crap jamming up.
I was there and had used the said rifle in question. And I am not going to say we didn't have problems with this rifle. However, it wasn't the company that made the rifle who was to blame. It was non other then the US Army. Stoner designed a great weapon, but one that needed a certain type of powder to fire in it's cartridges. When used with the right powder the gun functioned as advertised. But the Army thought they knew better then the designer and went with a different powder that fouled up the gas system. Now this wasn't the first time a designer had asked that a specific powder be used in their gun. Winchester told the Army that the M1 carbine need to have non corrosive powder for the gas system to work properly and they did. The rifle worked as advertised with no problems Or so I have been told. Correct me I am wrong brothers. |
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738691)
Its not worth an argument with typical crew that just post things to put me down and offer nothing else to the forum.
It's not an arguement you should be offering - it's an apology. |
no apology needed IMO. Some like to turn their heads the other way when it comes to crap american made rifles
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738742)
no apology needed IMO. Some like to turn their heads the other way when it comes to crap american made rifles
I thought I just expained that it was not the rifle that was crap, but the use of the wrong powder. If this crap rifle was so crappy, then how come everyone is buying the hell out of then. They are the most bought rifle as of this moment in time pal. You need to do your research before you open your mouth. Then you would not have to sit there and try to remove that large foot from your mouth now. It is a wise man who recognizes his mistakes. Think about it son. |
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738159)
geee i remember an american firearm that sure killed a lot of our troops due to constant jamming.
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738691)
Its not worth an argument with typical crew that just post things to put me down and offer nothing else to the forum.
I think you put your foot so far in your mouth this time that theres a sac on your chin. I think you should load all your CVA's in your KIA and drive until your not standing on something that guys died defending using American Made weapons....... 99th Recon SQ 91-97 |
Originally Posted by rafsob
(Post 3738731)
I was there and had used the said rifle in question. However, it wasn't the company that made the rifle who was to blame. It was non other then the US Army.
I was there and had used the said rifle in question. And I am not going to say we didn't have problems with this rifle. However, it wasn't the company that made the rifle who was to blame. It was non other then the US Army. Stoner designed a great weapon, but one that needed a certain type of powder to fire in it's cartridges. When used with the right powder the gun functioned as advertised. But the Army thought they knew better then the designer and went with a different powder that fouled up the gas system. Now this wasn't the first time a designer had asked that a specific powder be used in their gun. Winchester told the Army that the M1 carbine need to have non corrosive powder for the gas system to work properly and they did. The rifle worked as advertised with no problems Or so I have been told. Correct me I am wrong brothers. Thats pretty interesting, i never heard that version before. Isuzu, not kia. But hey, its GM made. |
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738755)
Thats pretty interesting, i never heard that version before.
That's because you don't do your homework pal. Research, research and then research again. It helps one from looking stupid!!! :action-smiley-099: |
of course im sure the powder is one of many excuses used.
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Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738742)
no apology needed IMO. Some like to turn their heads the other way when it comes to crap american made rifles
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the deer feeder is now empty after i learned it wasnt allowed.
I got a marlin 3030, brother had a remington 700, those are about the only american guns we have. We're not that big into centerfire stuff. |
i'm a long retired Army M/Sgt. and disabled RVN vet. The history of the M16 rifle is a very long one. Yep, it has been a very good battle rifle for the past 40+ years. The M16 has not always been a good battle rifle. In the beginning it was a sorry piece of work that was fed some sorry ammo. The M16 was accepted for use based on the use of grained powder. Then the US Army decided to use ball powder. That was a sorry decision.
My brother was a Sgt. in C Co. 2nd Bn, 7th Cav. He went to Viet Nam with the unit in 1965. Still have the letter he wrote asking me to send him a cleaning rod, bore brush and patches: Yep, the Army issued the troops M16 rifles without cleaning kits. Sec Def McNamara, Colt and Stoner claimed that the gun was "self cleaning" and the troops did not need cleaning kits. That ball powder increased the cyclic rate of the M16 and this resulted in more wear on the weapon. That powder was also very dirty. The gun did not initially have a chrome plated chamber and this lead to rust and failures to extract the fired case. The micro managing McNamara said: "If the gun needed a chrome plated chamber, Stoner would have made it that way." The US Army insisted that their M16 have a forward assist. The USAF guns did not have that feature. My brother was killed at Ia Drang Valley on 17 November, 1965. One of these days i will have the great pleasure of 9issing on McNamara's grave. http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/articles.asp?id=125 The Army began to immediately issue the XM16E1 (re-named M16 on its adoption) to infantry units, and the rifle was initially delivered without adequate cleaning supplies or kit. Moreover, the Army's inability to deliver 5.56mm ammunition meeting quantity and velocity specifications led to a change in powder specification for the 5.56mm cartridge. Unfortunately, the change was made without testing the modified ammunition in the rifle under service conditions. The newly-specified 5.56 ammunition increased the cyclic rate of fire, increasing wear on parts, and the new gunpowder's burning characteristics increased fouling in the M16 rifle. When the XM16E1 reached Vietnam with U.S. troops in 1966, reports of jamming and malfunctions in combat immediately began to surface. Although the M14 had a chrome-lined barrel and chamber to resist corrosion in combat conditions (a danger learned from WWII Pacific theatre combat experience), the M16/XM16E1 had no chrome-lined bore or chamber. Several documented accounts of troops killed by enemy fire with jammed rifles broken-down for cleaning eventually brought a Congressional investigation. Later investigations also cast doubt on the veracity of the original 1962 reports of the alleged stopping effectiveness of the 5.56mm bullet, as well as criticism of inadequate penetration (in comparison to the Soviet 7.62mm x 39mm round) when firing at enemy personnel through light cover. |
That was an awesome read Falcon. Im sorry to hear about your brother, thats tough.
Damn that was a good read. I like the 7.62x39 round myself. I never liked the tiny bullet deal. Then again NATO and their "have a heart" rules also screw up a lot of things. You shoot at someone, u want him down, not wounded. |
Originally Posted by MountainDevil54
(Post 3738769)
of course im sure the powder is one of many excuses used.
Ya know I was going to let it all out and let everyone know how I felt about your attitude, but thought better of it. I think you are letting everone know what a piece of work you are just by letting you dig that hole deeper and deeper. You are doing a better job then I could have done. |
The micro managing McNamara said: "If the gun needed a chrome plated chamber, Stoner would have made it that way."
McNamara should have been tried for treason.He admited before his death,that they knew we could not win with the stratagies they employed.He was indirectly responsible for many American deaths.Falcon,give him a squirt for me Charlie |
Originally Posted by Chasam60
(Post 3739251)
The micro managing McNamara said: "If the gun needed a chrome plated chamber, Stoner would have made it that way."
McNamara should have been tried for treason.He admited before his death,that they knew we could not win with the stratagies they employed.He was indirectly responsible for many American deaths.Falcon,give him a squirt for me Charlie |
MD 54 I learned something many years back. Even a fish would keep out of trouble if he kept his mouth shut. I totally disagree with your comments.To each their own you're entitled to your opinion.
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