Is This An Original S. Hawken Rifle?
 

I bought this rifle back in 1988 for a commercial my company was producing for Hawken Smokeless Tobacco.

I dug it out last year and wanted to see if it would shoot. I found that by pulling the main trigger it fired and would group inside 3" with 100gr of Black powder FFG and patch & ball. When using the set trigger the hammer would only fall to a half c0cked position.

A gunsmith that deals only with black powder rifles told me the nib was worn. I can't remove the hammer. The bolt won't budge. I've tried soaking it & heat-Nothing.

First I'd like to find out if it came out of the original St. Louis S. Hawken shop as a barrel & lock and was assembled with a stock later or a VERY GOOD Reproduction.


If you want to see inside the lock & more detail follow this link to Flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomtwo...7625385750573/

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Thom, if it were an original Hawken in that condition it would be worth a small fortune.

Sorry, but it looks like a reproduction to me (although the lock internals are intriguing). I don't know the manufacturer, but that looks like modern lettering on the barrel. Someone here will likely know who marketed that model. It's a fine looking gun.

An original will look something like this.

Nope dont look real. but it is a very nice lolokin gun none the less

just looking at the S hawken st louis on the barrel, i feel its a fake. Looks waaaay to modern. Beautiful rifle though! I'll pm you my christmas wish list! :D

thom2

Both CVA (the original Connecticut Valley Arms) and Traditions have offered a copies of the St. Louis Hawken.

If you a do a quick internet search you can find the information on the newer St. Louis Hawkens.

I would believe that the one yu are showing was made by one of these two companies.

no way that was made by cva or traditions.

When i first saw it, it reminded me a lot of the jonathan browning mountain rifle but obviously, that would have been stamped on it.

Could be an A&H knock off or some other company knock off, they had some santa fe hawken's made years years ago " before i was born i think lol"

The italian brand rifles like to use that big stamping so maybe even something along the lines of lyman or pedersoli.

Who ever it was made by, they did a good job.

Now go scrub the little rust out of the barrel!

I sent photos to "Track Of The Wolf" and "Dixie Gun Works".
They had no clue who made the rifle.

have you taken the barrel off and checked for numbers or markings?

MountainDevil54

There is a number 4" ahead of the nipple (which I replaced) under the forearm. ---- N 1629

Just by looking at the bore & the machining of the rifling you can tell it is a modern, mass produced barrel. Not to mention the fact that the lettering on the barrel is done with a machine.

It's been some years back Browning made a BP rifle called the Johnathan Browning.I had one for awhile and traded it off. I don't remember St.Louis or S Hawken on it so I don't think this is one of them. I was not impressed with the Browning. The lock was constantly getting loose inside.

I wish now I had kept it. They didn't make all that many I'm aware of.

Back in the 1980s a fellow started making reproductions based on original Hawkens, I believe it's one of those guns...Google The Hawken Shop, they still have a webpage...

btw...The hammer falling to half **** is in the set trigger adjustment...Take the trigger out and there is a screw which tightens up the leaf spring, tighten that and clean the trigger...That should fix it...

I've sent photos to Greg Roberts at The Hawken Shop.
I haven't heard back yet.
I feel it is a reproduction. Who ever built it did a great job.

I really would like to find out where it can from, because it needs some parts for the lock. I know the fly is bad.

I can't budge the screw holding the hammer.
I've soaked it, put heat to it and still can't unscrew it.
It has to come out in order to get to the fly. ---Any ideas.

Is the fly broken or stuck??? On my flinters, you just remove those 2 screws on the back of the lock and you can get to the fly, no need to remove the hammer...In fact, I have had one lock since 1977, have dissassembled many time and never removed the hammer...

As I mentioned, my lock would drop to half **** several years ago and I found out it was in the set triggers, not the lock...

I heard back for Greg Roberts at The Hawken Shop.
Greg said, "I don't recognize any features that point to a particular maker. It is a nice gun, but I can't identify it."

Any other IDEAS. This has now become a MISSION.

Try Jim Chambers at www.flintlocks.com

He has been in the industry since the 60s...He should be able to identify who's lock that is...The rifle could have just as easily been built by any of a few hundred custom builders and stamped in the barrel...

I've tried to send an email to Doc White at [email protected], but it came back as undeliverable.

The main thing is the lock and lock parts.

S Hawken
 

The rifle in question looks like those make by the Green River Rifle works out of Montana

I don't know either but I really like it. A good looking rifle.

It doesn't appear that Thom2 has been around since 12/2010.

Rootsy...

That was my first indication that it's a repo... it's definitely not hand stamped. Looks like nice jig machine work to me. Also, the crown of the muzzle looks to be machined. Having been a machinist all my life these things aren't hard to spot.

But... I'd be interested to know who made it... they did a damn nice job!

BPS

This is what an original Hawken looks like.

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/blac...is-solved.html

Hawken shop barrel marking
 

This is how my St. Louis Hawken shop rifle is marked.

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