This used to be a good site.But lately it's been going all down hill.I haven't been a member here for too long so the change has happened in a relatively short time.I'm sure I won't be mised,but if this continues I will be forced to leave.And I haven't even had anyone attack me...yet.It's a shame because I don't want to leave.There are a great deal of knowledgeable people here when it comes to muzzleloaders.If we could let people give their opinions and advice and let the receivers of that information sort it out from one persons to the next things would be much nicer here.If you don't like Powerbelts and use another bullet why not just state that,and maybe the reason why,and stop bashing people for their preferences.And that goes for any other product that advice or sugestions are made for.Just give your opinion or advice and then the person asking the question will have more information to make his or her decision with.Then there is the down right ugly attacks on people.Everyone knows what I am talking about.Even if it has only been one,it's too many.Thank you everyone for reading this and hopefully you will all give this thought serious consideration.

Well said,friend.We all have our own faults,but,it seems that some folks are still the playground bullies they were when they were kids.

I also agree, but then there is Freedom of Speach, we all have the right to say what we want and we should still be thankful for that. Weather what someone say's is right or wrong we just have to take it in and move on. Agreed there should be no bashing of anyone or any product, give your opinion and the reader can absorbe it and decide on his or her own if it is what they should or should not use.
We all have different taste and likes, but we do have one thing in common and thats's why were here, we Love MLer's. I use to take it to heart that I shoot CVA's and everyone thinks there a Cheap Piece of Crap but now it does'nt bother me in the least, they work for me. But the Bashing of a Person should be kept to themselves or at least in a PM.
There's a Bunch of Great Guy's on this Forum and no matter what Forum you go to you'll find pretty much the same Bashing. I dont think you'll find a better MLer Forum, it'll be sad to see anyone go.
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I too would like to see an end to personal attacks and bashing but not to the point that we lose constructive criticism.
For example, if someone promotes an unsafe practice I would like to see someone post some criticism and a better way of doing things.
If someone promotes pushing a bullet at a speed beyond what it was designed for I definitely think it is fair to point that out. We don't want someone new to the sport having a bad experience by not being able to recover a wounded deer or having the meat full of bits and pieces of an exploding projectile.
We all have different opinions and different ways of doing things. It would be pretty boring if we didn't. Just keep it civil and constructive.

Ive stayed out of the fray for the most part but...

Some of us are not in the pocket of the company making a product and put an ethical kill above getting free stuff. When someone has a website plastered with a companies products, its obvious this effects the reviews.

This goes for Toby B. and Randy W. as well. They have great sites but its plain to see who is paying the bills and who they support.

I do use ONE PB product as a back up just because i got them at a fair price and they load super easy in the field. Its also the heaviest available and i dont push it hard.

Light PBs are grenades and ive seen enough evidence first hand to prove it. There are far too many Premium priced products that destroy a PB in terminal performance.

Which would you rather carry in Bear or Lion populated areas while deer or elk hunting...A PB or a Partition or Barnes or Lehigh?

I would think just about anything in the Premium priced range besides a PB.

CVA is the marketing King atm and they do make some good products which i have never bashed. Their new pricing though is in the same league as T/C products so why not give a Made in USA a try if it fits you.

In the entry level pricing i think the 2010 Wolf is just fine and i actually like the way it fit me better than an Impact. The Impact locks up nicer IMO but thats not the major selling point for me.

Im not bashing CVA but im not going to take reviews as the Gospel truth from a website that looks like a tribute page to them.

Flame suit on.

Well said,my feelings exactly!

The biggest reason I post my opinion on the Powerbelts, and hope others do too is because if we all just ignore it and don't say we don't like Powerbelts, it will only be positive stuff on here about them. So to some guy just starting out that comes here to get a recommendation it's going to look like Powerbelts are the best way to go when that's clearly not the case. Even the guy that loves to tell us how great Powerbelts are even admits he has to modify them to get them to perform well.

I just don't want someone to come on here and read that crap and then use this bullet and either wound deer and not find them, or completely give up on muzzle loading due to poor performance. If he reads both sides stories about the Powerbelts and still chooses to use them, that's his choice, but he should be able to read both sides and not just one.

Actually if you guys are truly interested in testing and getting free stuff from such and such company, its pretty darn easy. All it takes is an email with your name and some history behind why you would like to test the product out and review it. The best thing to do is keep it simple and ask for a few items, but make sure the items are something you can actually test out and write a review on, once you work more and more with that product and they see it, asking for some more stuff to review is very easy. Just remember that if you work with guns, they may want them back within a certain time period.

I only used the modded powerbelt on 1 deer, the rest have been factory with either 90gr RS or magnum loads.

There are plenty of stories of ' I swear i had it on his shoulder!' tales and lost deer. Someone just made a post not to long ago about a quality bullet that failed to leave a blood trail.

I don't know how you put up with it MD 54.Your posts are informative,interesting and honest.Yet everytime you make a post someone has something negative to respond to it with.I use Powerbelts because I don't like sabots but I haven't been fortunate enough to hit a deer with one yet.Oops,I did knick one last october.I hit a mature doe last sunday with a 12 guage Winchester Sabot slug at about 80 yards.She went right down,laid there for a moment,then got up and ran away.The blood trail consisted of one drop of blood every 6 to 12 feet or so for about 75 yards then it disapeard and I lost the doe.Now,should I stop using these slugs due to a lack of blood trail even though I've used them for about 20 years and taken many deer with them?I don't think so.A well placed shot makes all the difference in the world.I don't recomend patched round balls but I don't bash them every time someone brings them up.The first deer I ever killed was with one in a .50 cal.,had it not been a double lung shot,and the deer had run away,I probably would have never found it due to ZERO blood trail.Luckily it only went 30 yards and fell with only a drop of blood on the entrace wound side and the ball lodged under the skin on the opposite side.And so what if you promote products that are given to you free of charge.In my opinion they are terrific products,all the ones I have used are anyway.Keep up the good work and keep testing.I'm looking forward to the tests on the new Powerbelts.And thanks for all your help,pluckit.
P.S. I've never had a deer hit properly through both lungs go far after being hit with anything I hit it with,blood trail or not,when the air runs out,the deer goes down.