Blackhorn 209
 

Hey guys I just bought a bottle of Blackhorn 209 powder. I noticed on the back it said to only use 209 primers made for shotguns and not to use the 209 primers designed for muzzleloaders. Currently i have the Winchester primers made for blackpowder rifles. Do I need to buy shotgun primers or is there not a big difference?

as long as they are W209 primers and not the winchester 777 primers you should be ok. CCI 209M's for me have been the best and most reliable with this powder.

Crap...they are the Triple 7. Oh well, not a big deal they were only $6.99. I appreciate the help though, I'll be sure not to make that mistake again.

Lordgunner

More than anything it really depends on the gun and the breech plug.

I use W209's for most of my shooting from a Knight, but I have shot a lot of Win T7 primers also and they work just fine.

BH is a hard to ignite powder, Western knows this also and to help reduce complaints they naturally recommend the hottest primers like the Fed 209A or the CCI-209M.

I would also say if there is any doubt in your mind - shoot the hotter primer.

I would not exclude your ML primers in this warmer weather - but you are going to need to do some load and primer development anyway.

Make sure that you compress your load - push the sabot/bullet combination down snugly on the powder.

One thing that you might find the hotter the primer the quicker the flash channel in your breech plug might clog up.

Good luck...

Give them a try since you have them but first what gun do you have? Some Knights with the red disks will hang fire badly without a fairly strong primer and BH209....so knowing which gun could help.

They are not recommended but in some conditions they make work fine. Such as breach plug design and outside temps. Ive gotten them to work fine with some mods and accurately too but.......

I prefer plain Win209s usually and either the Fed or CCI mag primer should work fine but will leave more hard carbon in the flash hole and channel area. Its not a big deal unless you dont clean it well or have long range sessions. Sabotloader covered an important part too. Good snug seat on the powder and a good fitting sabot will help also with any primers.

So for me its..at the range Win209s and when hunting or cooler temps i go for the mags as a little insurance.

You dont need to load hard or have a tight loading bullet. I shoot the powerbelts and slick loads and the slick loads surprisingly load easier than a powerbelt and they prefer to be lighted placed on top of the powder. It'd help if we knew what your rifle was, this way we could point you to which primer is best for that rifle.

Wow guys I really appreciate all the info!

I'm shooting an Omega. Also, I will be shooting the Hornady SST low drag 250 gr sabots.

In an Omega any regular 209 primer will work. Myself, i have never tried the 777 primers with BH209, but it is possible they might work. The regular W209 primers are 100% reliable lighting BH209 in the Omega.

Lordgunner

Well shoot 'gunner' - I use a 25acp ignition system in my Omega. Shooting a small rifle primer wiln not reliably shoot BH each and every time, but when I switch to a small rifle mag primer (CCI-450)- it goes boom every time....

Another thing you could do to improve the ignition is to drill and tap your breeck plug to accept a Lehigh Vent liner. That would really make a ton of difference...

Here is pictorial of what I did...





This also increases the size of the flash channel helping to reduce a bit of blow back material

sabotloader

Several months have passed since i modified breech plugs for my self. I very much enjoy doing this modification. I wish i had more to work on. However, i sincerely believe, it provides no advantage for the Omega. Modifying the CVA breech plug is very much worth doing, in my opinion. For one thing, the steel of the CVA breech plug is softer than the steel of the Omega breech plug, and installing a vent liner makes for a far more durable flash hole. Making the CVA breech plug look more like an Omega breech plug, seems to help BH209 ignition, and this makes the modification worthwhile.

One of my Omega has a breech plug modified on both ends. The other Omega has a factory breech plug. They both are 100% reliable using BH209 and W209 primer.

ronlaughlin

Gosh! when I worked the Omega plug, I really thought it was soft. It drilled out very easily so if the CVA plug is softer - I can only think wow!

The reason I iniatially drilled that plug out was that I recommended to 'lemoyne' that he drill - tap - and install a Lehigh Vent Liner in his worn out Omega plug. Then to prove that it would work - I did one of mine, not because I was having a problem but just to show it could work. It did - it does... I also modify my Omega plugs for the 25acp which is also easy to do but I have not tried a vent liner in a ACP plug yet, cuase like you say it works great the way it is.

The most durable steel I have worked with in a breech plug has been the steel that Dave uses in the Lehigh plug... you know when you are drilling one of those, they are really a strong steel.

i'm currently using rem. cleanbore primers, shooting t7, out of my triumph. if i won't to shoot bh209, sounds like i need to move up to standard 209 primers...!?

yes johnnyo you'll just have to switch to a hotter primer.

Me too! :wink:

I had a problem using Winchester shotgun primers. I would get the primer to go off, but no fire. I got in touch with the folks at BH209 and they recommended using Federal 209A or CCI 209M primers.

After doing so my problems went away. Give one of them a try, it should help you.

The Winchester W209 primer is what i have been using in my Triumph to ignite BH209. Ignition has been 100% so far in about 150 shots. I haven't tried the Triumph in cold weather yet.

I have had 100% success using the W209 primer to ignite BH209 in my Omega in the very very cold. In the past 2 hunting seasons, my Omega has been in the truck overnight, loaded, when temperatures have been as cold as -19* or so.

After the past season ended, i was able to modify the Accura breech plug, so it more resembles the Omega breech plug. Since then the Accura has been 100% igniting BH209 with W209 primer. If i have been some successful this coming season, i will try the W209 primer in the Accura this coming January. If we don't have enough meat, i will not take a chance with the W209 in the Accura, and in it i will use Federal 209A primer to ignite BH209.

Well I was shooting a Knight Vision, and I lost a nice buck using the Winchester 209 primer. Because I didn't read the label and had my head up my backside, I blew a nice deer. As it turns out not only is the Winchester 209 primer one of the weakest primers out there, the BP in the Knight Vision is a little longer then other BP. With those two elements working together, I was the looser!

Lately I have been paying attention to the manufacture's recommendations when they go through the trouble of putting it on their labels. Since switching over to the hotter primers in the Knight Vision, she has been humming along.

the cci 209m primers are all i will use. I still want to try the rem sts primers but have to drive 2 hours to get them. I dont mess around with the winchester w209's. A hunt is to expensive to do and then end up blowing it because the primer used wasnt hot enough.