Change @ Knight
 

I posted this over on MM and thought I would drop it in here... Since Knight is now under new ownership... maybe we can effect some changes in the old way of doing business, to help Knight jump back and be really good....

GM54-120

Speaking of change.... you know the one change I would really like to see is for them to move to a 1/24 twist rate... I think White has proved what a versitile twist rate that turns out to be. The thing is that 1/24 is that versitile in a 45 or 50.

That would be the one thing that would drive me to buy a new Knight in a big hurry.

Tried to send Gordy an email this mornning using his old email address - rejected - things are a changing....

better fitting stocks for open sights would be nice as well.

MD

Not sure what you mean the current stock (synthetic) is a Bell and Carlson - it is a really decent tupperware stock and the wood stocks I have held on the LRH are awesome.

I did very little shooting with the Extreme and open sights and I do not remember a problem at all get on those sights. If anything a little higher comb for scopes would be better.

Of course none of the Elites even have open sights.

for it to fit me, the stocks need a little more drop in them. The only knight that fit decent was the revolution. the LRH and one of the bolt actions ive handled, they just didnt have the drop.

MD

Strange? but OK...

no not strange, just normal. No such thing as a perfect one size fits all. Length of pull, drop, bulk of the stock effects some out there. Kind of like TC stocks, they dont fit me, but fit most others out there.

when are they going to start selling Muzzleloaders again?Same models as last time?

I might be a little strange, but I would love to see them bring back the mk-85 with a fast twist barrel. I like the plunger style action and I really don't mind the cleanup.
Art

MD

Sounds like you need a stock made just for you... which them probably would not work many of the rest of us....

I have a Knight Revolution that I really like, but really haven't shot much. I have a Nikon Omega scope ready to go on it and then I am going to get some real bench time with it. I will also be sighting in a TC Encore with the same scope so it will be interesting to get a comparison.

It is a real shame to see Knight have such problems since they revolutionized the muzzleloader.

The TC did not seem to fit Gander either, is there a word for somebody that don't fit?

just the changes i'd like to see in knight. the KRB7 is another one thats a real bear to get the open sights into view.

im not the only one that has trouble with tc stocks. the triump doesnt fit me yet the bone collector fits like a glove... go figure. i cant believe you guys are actually giving me a hard time about this! i just said what i'd like to see on the new knights if they ever start up again. :hit:

When Knight is resurrected I hope that they work a little smarter than before. Knight got into trouble with a proliferation of models.

Don't feel bad MD, I'm at least kind of with you. I love my KRB7, but shoot it almost never because I can't hunt with a scope in MN and I can't get the sights to line up much without one on it. And I have the same problem with the Triumph. I thought I was nuts. I shouldered a Bone Collector for the first time a couple weeks ago, fit great. I had to go try a Triumph again to see why I was thinking it didn't fit the first time, but it still didn't.

Back on topic, is Knight for sure going to start producing rifles again or is it just a "what if?"

The bone collector is designed for small people, some of us would have to add one and a half inches to the stock to keep from having it so short that we got hit in the face with a scope. I have noticed a number of people at our club that have been using too short a stock, had to show one of them that ask the connection between having a correct trigger pull length and not getting scope eye.

Rifle stocks are one such category so here I will show you a very easy way to measure your length of trigger pull to insure that, should you want to, you can order up a stock for any of your weapons that will be the right size and fit for you.

Standing straight up, with your arms hanging at your sides, you need only to bend your arm at the elbow to 90 degrees to the front.



Keeping your wrist straight & in line with your forearm, now make an imaginary pistol style grip with your hand. Curl your finger into a natural trigger position.

Now, using a tape or similar device, measure from the inside of the elbow, just below the bicep, straight down the forearm to the middle of the pad on your trigger finger.







You now have the measurement for your length of pull on a rifle stock. 13.50” is the standard length of pull for a US made rifle stock. If you are over that number ( like the person in the picture ), you need a longer stock. If you are under that number, you need a shorter stock. If you live, or are going to operate/hunt, in a climate that is extremely cold, needing heavier clothing, subtract 0.25” from the measurement to offset for the difference when that clothing is put on.

Though maybe some one could use this info. Lee

SuperKirby
The high comb is for a scope you can either lower it or raise the sights.

Agreed including a bad to the bone 54cal with a 1-24 to replace the 52cal. Using 54x50 sabots the 400gr+ bullets would come to life. Currently accuracy starts dropping at about the 50cal 350gr range depending on the BC and length.

A 45cal with a 1-24 should shoot upto a 265gr .401 with ease and conicals exceeding 300gr. My Accura with a 1-28 does fairly well with both if you push them a little bit but its hell on the sabots after roughly 105grs.

Havent shot the 45 Elite yet and of course the sun came out AFTER they closed the range for the day. :bash:

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Flounder: I got a good laugh when I read your post about mk85. You already have cornered the mk85 market but now you are wanting another one but new and improved. I think your wife may be wanting you to go to mk85 anomymous if you buy another one. I sure am curious what they will bring out although it would be hard to quit hunting with my mk85 too.

It is the best rifle they ever made IMHO. No nonsense, just great shooting guns. In my opinion the industry spent too much design effort trying to make black powder guns "clean" and in the meanwhile they let their manufacturing tolerances slip on some of the more important things like triggers and barrel quality.

While i really love the Disc series, the simple old LK93 54cal is truly a gem and joy to shoot with the FPJ conversion. Its not the cleanest but the simplicity of the design is very nice and super accurate.

I added the Knight/Williams peep receiver site from Numrich for about $30 and i love it out to 65 yards. Its simple and has very fine adjustments.

It might be even more accurate than my GMB54-120. One range day i will devote to comparing the two.

IMO the best and cheapest improvement they can make is a rate of twist change for ALL ML calibers they offer.

Scott

The MK-85 was one of the best rifles they ever had. And IMO the old stock design was perfect for open sight shooting. I agree with Mountain Devil on the newer ones. You needed a cheek pad for a good weld on the MK-85 with a scope, but with a pad it was a perfect combination.

The original MK-85 had very high quality open sights(not the fiber optics junk). And the trigger in the MK-85 was second to none in the industry.

I have a couple of MK-85's and one of the LRH's. The LRH is unbelievably accurate. It is heavy, and a bit bulky, but it sure will shoot.

I think Knight tried to compete with TC instead of just sticking to their guns. The only way you can compete with TC is to have bookoo advertising bucks, and most companies just do not have that much money.

IMO Knight should maintain their quality and stay on the upper end of MZ's. And just sell what they can sell. A good product will sell itself.

IMO MZ shooting has become less about shooting BP, and more about speed of cleaning. So if that is the case, then so be it. But I do not mind cleaning my LRH. I have owned 2 Encore 209X50's, and have had a couple of friends who also owned the Encore MZ's. Know we all own LRH's. The TC's are nice(and clean fast), but IMO they will not hang with the LRH.

I did not post this to down the Encore. The Encore can be made to shoot wel. But IMO a rifle that is that expensive should not need to be "made to shoot". It should shoot anything I want it to shoot. Just like my LRH. It will shoot whatever I want to feed it. Including round balls, cast bullets, and sabots. Just an opinion. Tom.

+1 +1 +1 Dead on, Tom.

I definitely agree about the mk85. When my eyes were better I loved shooting iron sights with this gun. I still think my forest green laminated stock looks great and fits me like a glove.I loved it during the mid 80's when you could call Knight for some advice and the receptionist would transfer me to Tony Knight.

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