new all copper t/c bullet
 

just gotin the new t/c bullet. looks like it is a barnes straight wall with a black sabot.

Nice! Where did you purchase them? And if you don't mind me asking how much?

What is the diameter??

fusion

Black sabots = .452, but what weight ???

sabot-you saying they are federal??? they even have the barnes picture of the opened up bullet on the front.

i bought them from t/c direct. i haven't figured out the selling price yet.

250gr.

outdoorsmen

No not Federal at all, the sabot will be an MMP but the bullet will be a Barnes contract bullet.... This bullet should be night and day better than a SW/SST and I am not a SST/SW fan at all.

But, for those that are - this should be a giant leap forward... They are more expensive $26.?? for 15??? vs the $22 for bonded SW's and near double the price of the regular shockwave.

Of course, you know my first complaint.... $1.73 per bullet - WOW!

SABOTLOADER you wrote { Of course, you know my first complaint.... $1.73 per bullet - WOW} not expensive for a hunting bullet if it is good ...you can always use cheaper bullets to practice on paper ..i use the BARNES for hunting and cheap HORNADY SST for target practice ..

Looks like T/C signed a contract with Barnes. Those are T-EZ's.

yep. since there's no longer knight

yeah i agree it's a TEZ and mmp. i shot the tez straight wall from barnes and didn't like it compared to the tmz boattail.

heinz57

Yes i know I shoot even cheaper XTP's at paper and I shoot more expensive Noslers, hunting and even going to try some expensive Lehigh's this but at least they are only $ a bullet.

Approaching $2 per shot is kinda out of site - when you could just go buy a real Barnes and shoot it - if you are a Barnes fan... Might save you some money....

Maybe that is a 24 pack of bullets... that would bring them much more in-line price wise....

I'm kinda new to muzzleloading. Could someone please explain the advatages of a all cooper bullet.

Lead found in
processed venison
BISMARCK, N.D. —
State health officials say
lead was found in nearly 6
percent of the samples
from venison processed
last fall under new state
recommendations.
Sandi Washek, the
Health Department’s lead
coordinator, said 404
samples of ground venison
were checked from 54
meat processors across
North Dakota.
The state Agriculture
Department last year published
recommendations
to encourage more precautions
in butchering
venison.
Washek said state
health officials continue to
recommend that pregnant
women and children
younger than 6 avoid meat
from deer killed with lead
bullets. Washek said
health officials recommend
that “everybody else
use their judgment to
minimize their exposure.”

That does seem pretty high, but maybe you're paying a premium for the T/C name on them.

I just bought another pack of Barnes Expander MZ's from Scheel's the other day. I'm used to ordering them online and getting the 24 pack for about $25 plus shipping. I grabbed this pack and the price was $20.99, which I thought was great, until I got it home and realized that in my haste I didn't notice that it was a 15 pack. The packaging is so similar I didn't notice the difference at the store. The good thing is that my gun is sighted in and ready. $1.48 is pretty pricy for punching paper, but it's really not that much considering the performance the Exp-MZ gives on game.

But from now on I think that I'll buy my hunting bullets online from Mid-South rether than getting overcharged at Scheel's.

Mike

If they are indeed the TEZ then you could buy them from Barnes much cheapier.
15 for $18.54 or 24 for $28.39. And the TEZ is .451 diameter not .452

SWs have killed dozens and dozens of deer for me with absolutely no issues, and the FTXs are cheaper if they end up working. $1.73, no thanks! If you're shooting BH209, that's getting more expensive than feeding a magnum centerfire with the best ammo money can buy...

+1 to what ronlaughlin posted. Plus, copper bullets (especially Barnes) offer 100% weight retention. Lead bullets tend to fragment. These copper bullets will open like a flower displaying 6 razor sharp petals. Here's some pics of some Barnes T-EZ's that I tested on wet newspaper...

Man! I think Ill stick to the SW's and the round balls. Deer arent bulletproof..lol. I cant really understand needing all copper for the low MV's that muzzleloaders have.

swtom-----that is beutiful

I don't care what sabot it is, place it behind the shoulder the deer will die

+1
I figure it cost me right at 50 cents a pop, buying gross.
I'm not cheep, just thrifty.

SW

On the Remington Core-Lok bullets I believe the caption read..."The most dangerous mushroom in the woods" Or something close to that.

Barnes should show your expanded bullets with the caption "Barnes MZ...the deadliest flower" or "Barnes MZ....the flower of death"

HAHA! That would be pretty funny. :)

Some like the copper bullets some don't think that they are any better than a good bonded. I think all will agree that the price on that one is out of line,look what you are paying for the brand name. Lee

If you need to shoot them, buy them from Barnes.
24 for $28.95.

Steve

I don't buy that study. I'm trying to remember now but I recall reading a pretty good explanation of why it was discredited.

Besides, I tend to shoot my deer under the shoulder blade through the ribs, not really any meat there to begin with which is why I do it....explain to me how I'm going to get lead into the back quarters of the deer and the upper shoulders when the meat is on the outside of the body cavity??? The bullet does not explode into a cloud of powder inside the animal.

i believe that the lead problem is with high powered center fire rifles ..when the bullet is not bonded u will get a lot of lead particles inside the body cavity ..i am not worried with the ML . also i use BARNES expanders mz only when i am hunting ..

There was nothing discredited in this study. There was, however, policy changes made. This all came about because the state tested venison donated through 'Sportsmen Against Hunger', and found it contained lead.

One of the changes made is they will not accept animals shot through the hind quarters, which, i am sure you will agree, is a good thing.

More information is available here:

http://www.ndbowhunters.org/SAH%20ne...07-29-2009.pdf