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in2huntin 08-22-2009 12:19 PM

wolf muzzleloader
 
i have a wolf muzzleloader it shoots okay but anyone have any ideas to make it shoot better:confused0024:

Bible_Man 08-22-2009 12:42 PM

Okay is pretty good for a Wolf.

in2huntin 08-22-2009 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by Bible_Man (Post 3416192)
Okay is pretty good for a Wolf.

what do u shoot

superstrutter 08-22-2009 01:05 PM

You get what you pay for with a Wolf. You should have gone up a level with an Optima Mag. I know this doesn't help, sorry.

in2huntin 08-22-2009 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by superstrutter (Post 3416210)
You get what you pay for with a Wolf. You should have gone up a level with an Optima Mag. I know this doesn't help, sorry.

no dude your cool thanks anyway i just did not have the money at the moment you are totally right

sjsfire 08-22-2009 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by superstrutter (Post 3416210)
You get what you pay for with a Wolf. You should have gone up a level with an Optima Mag. I know this doesn't help, sorry.


Not true at all. Visit the Black Powder section. There are quite a few Wolf owners, and other owners of muzzleloaders in the $100-$150 range. You'd be surprised what you can do with a little powder, bullet, sabot, and primer testing. Do you shoot a muzzleloader superstrutter? 1 inch 100 yard groups are pretty easy once you get the right recipe. Here's mine: 300gr Barnes Expander MZ, Harvester Crushed Rib sabot, 2 50gr Pyrodex pellets, and Winchester W209 shotgun primers. It also shoots just as well with 100gr loose Pyrodex RS.

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nchawkeye 08-22-2009 05:14 PM

How many different powder and bullet/sabots combinations have you tried???

What size groups are you shooting at 100 yards??? and is this with a scope???

cayugad 08-22-2009 05:39 PM

You mention you have a CVA Wolf, but you don't give much information.
What kind of powder are you shooting?
How much powder are you shooting?
What projectile have you tried?
Are you swabbing the bore between shots?
What are you swabbing with?
Are you shooting open sights or scope?
Was it shooting accurate before?
How do you prepare the rifle before the first shot?

I helped a person sight in a New Frontier copy of the Wolf. I discovered his rifle with 85 grains of powder and a 240 grain XTP did real well. If I had more time I would have suggested he try some .430 diameter 300 grain XTP with a green harvester crushed rib sabot.

There are a lot of things you can do to make any rifle shoot better. Never let the cost of the rifle determine the accuracy of the rifle.. I have a Cheap CVA Staghorn Magnum that cost $89.00 and it is a great shooter. But I found its load, powder, and practiced with it. All you need to do is experiment and try some different things while being consistent in your swabbing and the manner you address the rifle.

Are you normally a good shot with say a center fire?

in2huntin 08-22-2009 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by sjsfire (Post 3416345)
Not true at all. Visit the Black Powder section. There are quite a few Wolf owners, and other owners of muzzleloaders in the $100-$150 range. You'd be surprised what you can do with a little powder, bullet, sabot, and primer testing. Do you shoot a muzzleloader superstrutter? 1 inch 100 yard groups are pretty easy once you get the right recipe. Here's mine: 300gr Barnes Expander MZ, Harvester Crushed Rib sabot, 2 50gr Pyrodex pellets, and Winchester W209 shotgun primers. It also shoots just as well with 100gr loose Pyrodex RS.

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thanks for the advice

in2huntin 08-22-2009 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by cayugad (Post 3416375)
You mention you have a CVA Wolf, but you don't give much information.
What kind of powder are you shooting?
How much powder are you shooting?
What projectile have you tried?
Are you swabbing the bore between shots?
What are you swabbing with?
Are you shooting open sights or scope?
Was it shooting accurate before?
How do you prepare the rifle before the first shot?

I helped a person sight in a New Frontier copy of the Wolf. I discovered his rifle with 85 grains of powder and a 240 grain XTP did real well. If I had more time I would have suggested he try some .430 diameter 300 grain XTP with a green harvester crushed rib sabot.

There are a lot of things you can do to make any rifle shoot better. Never let the cost of the rifle determine the accuracy of the rifle.. I have a Cheap CVA Staghorn Magnum that cost $89.00 and it is a great shooter. But I found its load, powder, and practiced with it. All you need to do is experiment and try some different things while being consistent in your swabbing and the manner you address the rifle.

Are you normally a good shot with say a center fire?

thanks thats good advice

MountainDevil54 08-22-2009 08:21 PM

Gotta tell us what you're shooting in that rifle now so we can make adjustments and help you out! The wolf is a great little shooting rifle. The Optima only has a longer barrel, nothing more.

Bible_Man 08-22-2009 09:15 PM

I shoot the Optima Elite, and did very little testing before finding a recipe that left me extremely pleased. My mixture:
Winchester 209 primers
150 gr. triple seven (3 50 grain pellets)
295 gr powerbelt copper series bullets

I am shooting with open sights, and can put three shots inside just about an inch at 75 yards. I don't figure on taking shots at any distances much farther than that where I will be hunting, but feel that I would be comfortable if the situation arose.

nchawkeye 08-23-2009 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by Bible_Man (Post 3416535)
I shoot the Optima Elite, and did very little testing before finding a recipe that left me extremely pleased. My mixture:
Winchester 209 primers
150 gr. triple seven (3 50 grain pellets)
295 gr powerbelt copper series bullets

I am shooting with open sights, and can put three shots inside just about an inch at 75 yards. I don't figure on taking shots at any distances much farther than that where I will be hunting, but feel that I would be comfortable if the situation arose.

You'll find that PowerBelt will perform better if you drop down to about 80grs of powder...Being soft lead they are going to expand quickly and more than likely you won't have an exit...

BigDaddy12t 08-23-2009 10:52 AM

I have the Wolf, and it is an awesome gun! I shoot 80 grains of Triple Seven loose powder, with a 295 grain powerbelt. I can shoot the hollow point or the Aerotip, it likes them both.

Buck Hunter 1 08-24-2009 05:57 AM

I shhot a TC Pro Hunter in my stand and a Wolf when I am pushing, stalking or in real heavy brush. I have it scoped w/ a 4 power and shoot 80 grains of T7 over a 250 grain shockwave. Under 100 yards i will get the inside ring of a pie plate consistent. I started out shooting 2 T7 pellets and couold get no consistent shooting. I lowered my charge and went to the loose powder and am now happy. For a short yardage gun (under 100 yards) it is a killer. I like my wolf, never had t o make a second shot w/ my wolf, nice and light to carry and great in the woods. Another plus is it is small enough to work w/ your kids or wife to learn to hunt with. Good Luck, w/a good gun!!

Buck Hunter 1 08-24-2009 05:59 AM

wolf is a good gun
 

Originally Posted by Buck Hunter 1 (Post 3417718)
I shhot a TC Pro Hunter in my stand and a Wolf when I am pushing, stalking or in real heavy brush. I have it scoped w/ a 4 power and shoot 80 grains of T7 over a 250 grain shockwave. Under 100 yards i will get the inner ring of a pie plate consistent. I started out shooting 2 T7 pellets and couold get no consistent shooting. I lowered my charge and went to the loose powder and am now happy. For a short yardage gun (under 100 yards) it is a killer. I like my wolf, never had t o make a second shot w/ my wolf, nice and light to carry and great in the woods. Another plus is it is small enough to work w/ your kids or wife to learn to hunt with. Good Luck, w/a good gun!!

It isd the shooter and how much you want to test your gun and skills , not the gun alone. I know guys that have bookoo dineros in high end guns that can't hit the side of a barn w/them.

IndyHunter83 08-25-2009 05:06 AM

First off don't listen to any nimrod who says the wolf isn't a great little gun because you didn't blow a whole wad of cash on it like they probably did and can't figure out how or why your cheap mL will shoot better than theirs. Its a great little gun for what it is. That being said, you have to work with it to find your load. I must have went through about ten different load choices before I settled on my hunting load. I use 90 grains loose pioneer with a thompson cheap shot. its a soft lead conical but I've dropped every deer I've shot with it in its tracks. Here is another little tip. It says magnum and "can" handle the mag loads to a point but I've sighted in 5 of these little guys I've got my two and my two brothers and father all have one because of how much they liked mine. 100 grains or less is typically the way to go. As questions and listen to the guys in this forum. They know a lot.


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