Muzzle Loading Archery/Harpoon Guns
07-25-2009, 10:23 AM
#1
Typical Buck
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Muzzle Loading Archery/Harpoon Guns
There's a well known Connecticut company that makes archery barrels for the Ruger 10/22, as well as guns that fire arrows, harpoons, tranquilizing darts and larger caliber bullets powered by compressed air or blank cartridges.
http://www.swivelmachine.com/html/rimfire.htm
Because the basic idea has already been proven to work, it should also be possible to shoot an arrow or harpoon type projectile from a muzzle loader.
I know that plenty of people have forgotten that their ramrod was still in the bore after ramming and ended up launching it downrange.
And I believe that there are also some kind of wooden darts that are commonly fired from the modern reproductions of gonnes.
If some thick wadding was put in the bottom of a smaller caliber barrel the gases would be sealed.
The arrow projectile could additionally be wrapped with some leather or other gasket material to keep it stable once loaded inside the barrel.
Even if a larger caliber barrel was used, a thicker arrow or "harpoon" could be used to better fill the bore since a thinner arrow might snap or fracture with a heavy load.
But unless someone has a very good backing for their target like a wheel of hay, there's a good chance that the arrow would get damaged or destroyed upon impact.
It may even be possible to shoot a single short arrow or "bolt" from a C&B revolver barrel. However a safe method for preloading such a projectile into the barrel would need to be developed before the cylinder is loaded with powder and then finally capped. But I think that it could be done safely and would work to some extent.
I suppose that if someone was in a survival situation and ran out bullets to shoot, that making a projectile from available materials would be option.
So what does anyone think about the idea of shooting wooden arrows, harpoons, bolts or darts from the various types of muzzle loading guns, who has ever tried it or would be willing to?
http://www.swivelmachine.com/html/rimfire.htm
Because the basic idea has already been proven to work, it should also be possible to shoot an arrow or harpoon type projectile from a muzzle loader.
I know that plenty of people have forgotten that their ramrod was still in the bore after ramming and ended up launching it downrange.
And I believe that there are also some kind of wooden darts that are commonly fired from the modern reproductions of gonnes.
If some thick wadding was put in the bottom of a smaller caliber barrel the gases would be sealed.
The arrow projectile could additionally be wrapped with some leather or other gasket material to keep it stable once loaded inside the barrel.
Even if a larger caliber barrel was used, a thicker arrow or "harpoon" could be used to better fill the bore since a thinner arrow might snap or fracture with a heavy load.
But unless someone has a very good backing for their target like a wheel of hay, there's a good chance that the arrow would get damaged or destroyed upon impact.
It may even be possible to shoot a single short arrow or "bolt" from a C&B revolver barrel. However a safe method for preloading such a projectile into the barrel would need to be developed before the cylinder is loaded with powder and then finally capped. But I think that it could be done safely and would work to some extent.
I suppose that if someone was in a survival situation and ran out bullets to shoot, that making a projectile from available materials would be option.
So what does anyone think about the idea of shooting wooden arrows, harpoons, bolts or darts from the various types of muzzle loading guns, who has ever tried it or would be willing to?
Last edited by arcticap; 07-25-2009 at 10:53 AM.
07-25-2009, 03:26 PM
#3
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2006
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You can also fire your gun after you stick it in the mud but you would be pushing safety a bit I think . To much barrel pressure thats why they change to compressed air I think with the darts and harpoons .
07-25-2009, 09:14 PM
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Typical Buck
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Re-enactors do shoot large wooden darts out of their gonnes which are based on an ancient design, so it's not a practice that's unproven. 
Here's some replies from other forums:
Here's some replies from other forums:
Seems to me I have some pictures of a 1700s flare/signal gun
Sort of a Long barreled Jaeger flintlock kind of thing.
It shot illumination flares that looked like big bottle rockets
Definite wood rod down the bbl. ,fired from the shoulder.
Sort of a Long barreled Jaeger flintlock kind of thing.
It shot illumination flares that looked like big bottle rockets
Definite wood rod down the bbl. ,fired from the shoulder.
Shoulder fired muzzleloading harpoon guns are still in use up here by native whalers, especially for the kill lance. Pretty common.
Memory is foggy whether it was L&C Journals or another source, but there's a historic account of one explorer or trapper that got separated from his party for some time with his rifle and powder but without his ball bag. He tried shooting small game with wooden "arrows" in his rifle, but as I recall he was pretty darned hungry when reunited.
And yeah, my wife forgot to withdraw the ramrod when shooting her 36 cal at targets. 30 grains of 3f if I recall correctly. Testimony to her marksmanship, she just missed the 10-ring on a 3" bull at 25 yards. She acknowledged feeling more recoil at the shot, but didn't realize what she had done till she started looking for her ramrod to reload.
Yeah we didn't kid her too much about it. Not after the first year anyway. Come to think about it, maybe it's time to remind her one more time.......
Memory is foggy whether it was L&C Journals or another source, but there's a historic account of one explorer or trapper that got separated from his party for some time with his rifle and powder but without his ball bag. He tried shooting small game with wooden "arrows" in his rifle, but as I recall he was pretty darned hungry when reunited.
And yeah, my wife forgot to withdraw the ramrod when shooting her 36 cal at targets. 30 grains of 3f if I recall correctly. Testimony to her marksmanship, she just missed the 10-ring on a 3" bull at 25 yards. She acknowledged feeling more recoil at the shot, but didn't realize what she had done till she started looking for her ramrod to reload.
Yeah we didn't kid her too much about it. Not after the first year anyway. Come to think about it, maybe it's time to remind her one more time.......
I'm sure someone shot a ramrod into an enemy or game more than once. The early whaling harpoon guns were enormous black powder affairs made of heavy brass. I'm not going to try sticking a spear down the flintlock, though!
Last edited by arcticap; 07-27-2009 at 08:28 AM.
07-26-2009, 03:23 AM
#7
Fork Horn
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Georgia
Posts: 261
I have been thinking about this for some time. My idea was to make a harpoon gun from an old Tower flintlock pistol for use on alligators. I believe it can be done safely but am still not sure about the legality of using such a device in Georgia on gators.
07-28-2009, 01:22 PM
#8
Dominant Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 21,193
While there is no doubt that a wooden dart of sorts could be shot out of a muzzleloader, your accuracy would be very subject to weights, air patterns, powder charges, etc. Also the wear and tear on your rifle might be a matter of concern down the road. For instance, when someone does by mistake shoot a ramrod, I often suggest that they check the barrel for bulges. Just not a good idea to shoot wooden dart IMO.
