CVA LINK WITH PIC
 

I know its an old pic and topic.... but i never get tired of looking at what power these guns have.
http://randywakeman.com/Muzzleloadin...CVA_Menace.htm

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Didn't the Bergara barrels change/fix all this?

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I have no idea just amazes me the amount of destruction that can happen

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And even after all of this is rehashedover and over again, itstill boils down to whether or not you feel confident and safe shooting a CVA rifle or not. If you feel they are inferior I strongly suggest you choose a brand you are confident in. If you feel they are safe, then you have a different brand to consider when you purchase a rifle. I own a CVA Staghorn Magnum, and technically the Remington Genesis is from the same factory I think. I shoot them, so I guess I am confident in them. All of them have had magnum loads shot through them.

I also own several traditional rifles owned by CVA and Traditions. They all shoot well.

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Yea I'm not scared to shoot either of my two CVA's. I'm shooting one of them this weekend.

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Idon't loose anysleep worrying about shooting my CVA Wolf. But I know 4 deer so far thats lost some sleep.....

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I'm not worried about shooting my CVA at all. Randy Wakeman has had a personal agenda against CVA going for a long time now. To say that he is highly biased is a gross understatement. So take everything I read from him with a grain of salt.

I also find it VERY interesting that there is no mention anywhere of what loads were used in these guns when they exploded. I wonder if some or most of these failures could have been caused by overloading the rifles to past the manufacturer's specs, loading a double charge, or some other error.

I just don't go over what CVA recommends in terms of powder charge and have no worries.

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There is no product in the world that cannot be made cheaper by adopting a lesser standard of quality in material and workmanship and then selling it for a more competitive price. Kid's back packs and shoes come to mind. Those who only look at the bottom line are prey to those who cut corners. Where safety is concerned a higer standard should be the law. Look up the Ross rifle ofWW1 vintage. It was made the standard issue rifle of the Canadian army. Ross had connections in high places and so got around the oversight issues. These abominations killed and maimed a large number of our soldiers by failing at the breach and blowing the bolt back into the face of the poor man holding it. They did not all fail nor did any fail on the first use, but in combat guns receive significant use in a short time. The "mine hasn't failed yet" endorsement doesn't hold a lot of water IMHO.

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In all fairness to Randy Wakeman, while he does seem to have a vendetta of sortsagainst CVA, he makes no bones about it. He also claims he is doing this because of the accidents that have occurred with BPI firearms and he does not wish to see others injured. I can respect that actually. Now I can not look into his heart and tell you this is the real reason. Is it also for fame and even somewhat monetary gains, I just don't know? Never met the man. But there is nowa web site where a number of court cases are discussed and what happened, such as rifle make, load used, etc. Some of the cases are interesting to say the least. You can take the information presented any way you like. But as I said, some of the court cases they discuss do make you wonder.

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I didn't start this topic with any underlying CVA feeling. It was sent to me in an email and while its an old pic(have seen before) I always am amazed as how anything can go wrong at anytime.
That gun could have been any as far as I am concerned with todays cut corners where possible to save money. Eye protection should be a staple with any of us who shoot. If you don't wear them maybe this pick would change someones mind.

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Wakeman has been banned from nearly every gun related website. Randy Wakeman is in the pockets of a Tulsa, OK ambulance chasing lawyer.Some of those guns were blown up with smokeless powder.

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I have not read all the case dockets, so you might be correct in that smokeless powder was used to blow some of them rifles up. Some do claim they were not using smokeless powder. A few I read wereusing manufacturer approved powder,and actually some of the loads were what I would have considered safe. Then there is the question of who is telling the truth of course. I was not there watching them load, nor did I see the gun in question.

As for Wakeman being in the pockets of lawyers, I have no facts to support or rebutsuch a statement. I would be interested in hearing your facts though. Shoot it to me in a PM if you like. If you mean he is called on to testify in court cases, I have heard that is a fact.

As to will that site stop me from shooting my CVA Staghorn? Not a chance. Its a great rifle and shoots very well for me. All I am saying is there is another side to this question out there. Whether you want to believe what is posted and the people that post it, is a personal choice.

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I've met Randy Wakeman and have learned alot from him. I believe what he is posting on CVA'S to be true. Does that mean it is, NOPE.

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I would suggest there could be such a site for every brand of firearm made.

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i have done a lot of research on this and have some good contacts on this subject. Guess who their "expert" witness is?


http://eatonandsparks.com/index.html

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Underclocked I could not agree more. And that's why I said, there are normally two sides to everything. Its how a person perceives it that makes the difference.

Falcon, I understand that Wakeman is being called in as an "expert" witness in court. Something we have not control over. Now before a court would accept his testimony he would have to be questioned in such a manner or his background proved,that the court would accept him asqualified to be an "expert" witness. So some where in some court system he is/or must beconsidered an expert on this subject from your statement. Whether we agree to this or not is of no concern to a court.

That still has little to do with the site I mentioned. It is a matter of perception. If you believe the information stated in it, then you would not purchase a BPI product. If in the case of you and I, we did not feel the information valid enough to stop us from making a BPI purchase, that's our take on it. Yet, I do consider the information they state. I admit, I have not read the entire site yet.

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also noticed in one of the cases, RW's testimony was not allowed:D

i dont take anyones word for anything, pictures and all. RW got nasty with me when i emailed him a simple question about the length on the Hornady FPB. After that my view on him is in the toilet.

I've chatted with Toby Bridges on another forum and even though we've gone at eachothers throats, i truely enjoy him as a person and like the fact that he can get off topic in a fun way just like all of us on here.

I may argue with him about the Patched round ball, but other than that, hes a good guy. I can't come close to saying the same about RW.

Why doesnt RW post pics of savages that have blown up?

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I agree as well.
And actually Dave, there aren't just 2 sides - I believe it is usually 3.
Side 1
Side 2
Side 3 is somewhere in the middle of the 1st 2 and is where the truth usually lies.

Steve

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+ 1

I swear i didnt eat the last cookie!!

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Good to hear cause I licked the bottom of it:D

Steve

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I agree that there should be a site where every incident and all the facts that are prove-able should be posted.
There was a period when CVA barrels were cracking open that's not the way that overpressure blows a barrel; since they are actually in the hands of different management now and using much better barrels they have not had much trouble with barrels. The point at which they still have a problem is an occasional breach plug.
I would suggest to the owners of CVA that they read and abide by the limits in their operators manual. The improvement in quality has been great enough to keep most of them out of trouble if they follow the rules. Lee

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I would say CVA barrels are the best built, most accurate barrels on a production muzzleloader right now. As for toughness,,, these same barrels are shooting 300 Win mag's... I think I feel pretty safe with a 100 grains of 777.

By the way, did y'all look at the goobers on that CVA court cases link... they don't look smart enough to find their food bowl, much less properly load a muzzleloader!