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I've spent a small fortune on New Bullets this winter (see below) to try in my Savage ML. Can't wait for a decent day to do some shooting.
Barnes Original, 300gr, .458
Sierra Pro Hunter 300gr, .458
Barnes TSX-FN, 300gr, .458
Nosler Partition, 300gr, .458

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Sweet! I'd definitely like to hear how they shoot for you. Make sure you post some results with some pictures.

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fusion

I really like shooting the .458's (45-70) for elk - you are shooting a real rifle bullet...

I shoot the Nosler while elk hunting and I shoot the Sierra @ paper as i can not afford to shoot the Noslers... The Sierra's fly really close to the Noslers.

In my Knight I shoot 120 grain of T7-2f with Nosler in a Orange MMP sabot, In the Omega I do reduce the charge down to 110. Last year I dropped a cow almost in her tracks with the 110/Nosler combination from a Remington 700ml

Here is a pic colection.. My range estimation was not very good cause whe we lasered it it was 180 yards or there abouts - I would have to find the original post to be exact...


And this is the results after skinning...




When I checked her I had a hole on both sides of her body so I thought i had gotten a pass through... but when we skinned her we found the bullet in the upper leg bone.

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Sabotloader,
Very impressive, looks like that Bullet performed flawless for you. Excellent expansion. That has to be some good eating as well.

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fusion

What was really impressive is what it did to the internal organs as it passed through the chest cavity... Dark red jello - the internal shock the animal got over-rode the flight response - i really do like that...

It was good but my hunting partner and I slit the proceeds - so most of my share is gone + plus my son-in-law over in Kennewick claimed his share on the fact that he married my daughter... He raises beef so he traded out.. he would rather have the elk meat vs his own beef...

Got a 5x5 with that same bullet 3 years ago @ 60 yards.... but he did not drop as fast.. those bulls are tough fellows - he made it down the hill about 40 yards and then piled up.

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fusion: From the looks of your list... you sure are determined to make a 300gr bullet your "go to" load.:D:D:D

And from the looks of sabotloader results with a 300 gr bullet... you made a good choice !

Report back with you shooting results.

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I have shot the Barnes Origonal 300g .458 and the Barnes TSX-FN 300g in my Savage 10ML2. Both shot excellent. If you want a blow by blow on the Barnes Origonal 300g with 4198, it is here:

http://www.the-gleasons.com/this_is_my_savage_10_ml_page.htm

down in the 2008 Season section. I used that all 2008season on Whitetails, my opinion of the bullet is, it is a bit too tough for Whitetails, kills them no problem, but they are a bit hard in the tip and don't expand well on close shots. They are great for elk and big game, but little old whitetails they are over kill. I shot them wth 67g of 4198 in a Crushed Rib sabot. They are great for 200 and 250 yard open field shots with the Savage, like cornfields in the midwest or long shots on Elk.

I plan on shooting the TSX-FN 300g (Barnes part number45843)this year with I am guessing 53g of 4198. I like the 4198 better than 5744.I am choosing 53g because BigMoose showed on another board, that 53g gave great accuracy with anohter 300g bullet,I figured the 5744 was going about2000 fps, and the 53g of 4198 is in the same ball park. That is the desired speed for a 45/70 bullet, so that is my starting point. The 5744 is dirtier and I like the 4198 a bit better, however you must have a very tight sabot. Here is where it shot with 5744, 44g with CR sabot, the sabot is very tight .458 bullets. They are going to shoot like a Barnes MZ 300g, and they are awsome. I shot the MZ in my Omega last year and killed 2 deer with it, DRT. Also shot 1 with my Knight and an MZ, 50 yards open sights, DRT. They perform well, open quickly and penetrate all the way thru, just what you want. Very accurate in my Omega also.
Chap

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One of these days I will make it out west for an elk hunt. YOu guys out there are so lucky.

Good shootin' Sabotloader!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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sabotloadereverytime i see that elk in that truck i have to laugh, it looks like it is bigger than the truck.I got
a box of sierra's im really wanting to see some kill reports on them.

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hunting junkie

I know and I swear their was no trick photography involved - i was standing on the bank looking down... but it was a decent sized cow... There was a lot of steaks in the two hinys and they were good....

The .458/300 Sierra - really might surprise you in how well it flys. It is a Pro-Hunter designed for the 45-70 so it should be a shooter and do the job when it hits...

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I have shoot the Speer 300g Unicore also in 45/70, they are not costly and few great. I am sure they would do well also, about like the Gold Dot, only difference is it is a true rifle bullet for 45/70 so designed for 2000 fps, so should do great in a MLer.
Chap

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Here it the Product Review on the Barnes TSX-Flat Nose 300g 45/70 bullet, part NO 45843, at Midway.
I know from shooting the 300g Barnes Origonal SSP that 68g of H4198 is too much recoil for me, so I am dropping back to 53g, which is about what I have read is shot in a 45/70.
Chap

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It would be wise as you start your shooing of these different premiuum bullet, and choosing the most accurate to read all the Product Reviews on Cabelas, MidwayUSA. Look for bullet performance on game, I like the Africa hunters for plains game, they are very serious folks, they choose their bullets well their bullet well and they know the deal on huntingand most want 1 shot DRT performance. I like the Professional Hunters in Africa opinions also, any bullet that impress them impress me. If a you hear the words pencil thru or don't expand on close shots, you need to avoid that bullet for a MLer. These are4 great bullets.
Chap

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To back up what I experiened and reported above, here is what Barnes Says is the performance range of their 300g SSP: http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/bullet-talk/faq/#mrx

And in particular these words:






So in my Savage, with 67g of 4198, I was shooting about 2350 fps, plenty for the Barnes 300g Origonal Spire Point to expand, but you will be shooting closer to 2000, so at 100 yards, I don't think they will expand for you. They are honestly a long distance smokeless or hot load Blackhorn 209 bullet in my opinion--well constructed for sure--most of the time only 15% weight loss. I shot them one year and have 3 boxes of50which I think I will sell to Tar12 over on the Savage Forum if he wants them. I don't plan on using them again. You gotta kiss a lotta pigs before you find your bullet princess. Because of the .292 Ballistic Coefficient they are a "long range bullet" in my opinion.
Chap

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Chap,
if I can get good accuracy out of the Barnes TSX that would be my first choice as I think the terminal performance would be the best out of the four I had listed. Although Sabotloader's info on the Nosler is very impressive as well. I'm switching powder this year, going from AA5744 to IMR-SR-4759. Have you had any problems with hang fire or mis-fire with the 4198? . I am thinking 43 grains of the 4759 should get me near 2200 feet per second.

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Great info on the bullets guys!

However, I think we should keep the Smokeless loadings over on the Smokeless forum, as not to confuse any in-liners, for safety sake;)

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Yes. The very first time I shot 4198, I was shooting a Parker Ballistic Extreme with an MMP12, and it would pop the primer the bullet and all the power would shoot about 20 feet onto the ground. I did that 3 times and gave up, shot AA5744 the first year with PBE and MMP12, that ignited every time. Asked over on the Savage Forum what my problem was and it was "loose sabots" and not compressing the charge. Switched to .458 bullets with CR and they are VERY tight with 4198 and no swabbing, but if you put your ENTIRE weight into the bullet when seating it, then you don't have misfires. I like PBE, but they are a .450 bullet and sabot tightness is just not there for a Savage, should be good with BP or Subs, but not Blackhorn 209.

I have shot deer between the ribs and the Noslers that didn't expand, the MZ and TSX I am sure would because of huge hollow point and the grooves down on the inside of the TSX causing it to open quickly. I agree that would be the best terminal performer. In a Savage I think the TSX is better because it is .458 and it is designed for a 2000-2200fps 45/70, I think the MZ is designed for 1500 to 1900 inlines and basically that is the difference. I think the 45/70 are stronger, both open equally well in my opinion. I shot 3 deer last year with the Barnes MZ and all of them were DRT or within 20 yards. I like that type of terminal performance of the huge Hollow Point Barnes.
Chap

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Your right, newby can make that error. Thanks for pointing that out. I will not put load info on Savages over here. Thanks Chap