NOT HAPPY!!!----Bad day at the range
 

Ok, I have a day off......I have my Triumph mounted with my Nikon Omega, I have plenty of pellets and a small variety of bullets/sabots to get her sighted in with. I get in touch with my dad and he wants to come along--even better. We go out to the local LEO range and get permission to use it.

We start to get the Triumph sighted in. We click this way and that way to raise/lower and move left and right. We notice that the scope isn't responding as it should. We go to move it 12 clicks for 3 inches and it only moves about half of that. We notice that it is only doing about half of the inputs---AND it IS 1 CLICK= 1/4 inch. First sign I have a bad Nikon. The straw that broke the camels back is we went to riase it an inch and it raised 8 inches......let me say that again 8 INCHES!!!!! I am livid! I called Natchez SS where I bought the scope back in January and told them the deal. I bought the scope from them in Jan, bought scopes mounts from a different supplier (SWFA) in Feb, and just now have gone to the range and see that the scope is defective. They said send it back with what was wrong and whether or not I want an exchange or a refund. I don't know which I should get. I thought the "almighty" Nikon Omega was the best scope you could put on a ML. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
I'm wondering if I should get an exchange or get a refund and buy from a different supplier. Has anyone had any problems with Natchez SS as far as the products you receive? ONLY goo d thing was I got to spend time withdad AND I found out I had a bad scope BEFORE ML starts!!--DrAsus

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A couple questions.. did you have the scope professionally mounted or did you do it yourself. Not that I am insisting that you do not know how to mount a scope if you did. But when the gunsmith mounts them, they bore sight them normally and that will put you close to where you want to be on paper at 25 yards.

Second.. you did not mention the distance you were sighting in at. If you were sighting in closer then 100 yards, many times it takes a lot of clicks to move a very small amount.

Sometimes it is as simple as moving the back rings to where the front rings are. Also when I sight in, I do so at 13 yards. When I have it shooting dead bull, then I start moving back.

But if you are sure the scope is no good, I would see if Natches or Nikon is going to replace the scope. I have a Nikon Omega on my Genesis and it is a great scope so far.

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Sound to me like you got the scope rings to tight.If you get them to tight the cross hairs won't move.And when you shot it they moved all at once.How far was you shooting 1/4 inch clicks is for 100 yardswhichis 4 clicks equals 1 inchat a 100 yards. Double that at 50 and so on.

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Started at 100 yrds....wasn't hitting paper......moved up to 50 to where it was decent and then went back to 100 yrds. I installed the scope myself and I do not think I got the rings too tight. I was getting to where it was 1 1/2 to 2 inches high at 100 yrds---what I wanted.....but it was to the left 3 1/2 inches or so. I make the adjustment to the RIGHT to bring it over and leave the up/down alone. She shot 3 inches to the RIGHT and 5 INCHES LOW!!!! She was just at 2 inches high....how in God's name did it drop 7 inches!!!! Its a bad scope--DrASUS

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I had a Leupold 2X7 that behaved something like that.

On the first sight-in session, we figured out it wasn't reacting to an adjustment until you shot the gun again (sometimes only after 2-3 shots). Got it to work by lightly tapping the caps on the scope adjusters with a plastic mallet after every adjustment. By the end of the session we found the "tapping" wasn't needed.

I believe theadjusters are spring-loaded... and they sometimes get stuck and need a little gentle persuasion. :)

Good luck... Rob

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Sorry, I couldn't tell you what's wrong. But I do know that when I see people putting scopes on themselves, I always cringe. They undoubtly get a gorilla grip on the screwdriver and really tighten up the screws. All you need is 25 ftlbs for each screw. That is not that tight. Its firm, but not gut wrenching tight.

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Rt con----yea my dad told me about the "tapping"....we gently tapped on it with the small plastic tape measure we were using----didn't make a difference.---But thanks for the reply.

I guess this post is 2 things: #1 --tell you my experience today at the range #2 --ask whether or not I should get an exchange or a refund. I'm leaning toward a refund and buying from a different supplier......just to make sure I'm not receiving "junk". I probably can get SWFA to match the price so I'm only out shipping charges for the Bad Nikon back to Natchez SS.---Help-----DrAsus

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Asus - I don't think its the supplier's fault. Sometimes badmerchandise leaves the factory. Its just the luck of the draw where it ends up. Natchez appears to want to make things right by you and the Omega is a good scope so give them the benefit of the doubt and get a replacement.

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DrAsusno offense to you in any way shape or form.This is a great example of high dollar scopes and cheap ones.There is alot of people who down a cheap scope simply because it was cheap, and not name brand.Aswith allscopes you have good ones andbad ones.

If you were happy with the eye relief,and if you checked itin low light, and you liked that, then exchange it.If not get your money back

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If the scope rings are very close to the adjustment turret sometimesa scope will go haywire.

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Thanks guys. I'm calmed down a bit. Reason is setting back in in leau of my anger. I think I will get a replacement. I love the scope. Optics are the best I've seen. Thanks for the "pep-talk" hehe LOL! You guys are great! --DrAsus

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Perhaps before sending it back, you could run each adjustment back and forth to the limits of adjustment about 5 times and then try it again. I had a Bushnell act like that once, did this procedure to break it in at a decade later that scope is still serving another hunter's ML needs well.

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Spaniel, thats a great idea. However, I bought the scope first part of Jan this year. Then in Feb I bought the scope mounts. Now its March before I've had a chance to go to a range and try to sight her in. Natchez is willing to refund or exchange as I called their customer service. I'm not taking any chances and am sending it bask ASAP. Natchez doesn't have to do this for 2 reasons. #1--it's past their 15 day return policy #2 They could say the warranty is from Nikon, not them. I was really pissed off earlier and let me apologize to Natchez and everyone on this board. It's not Natchez's fault that I got the 1 in 1000 or whatever bad scopes that Nikon has. Its just my bad luck. *(Seriously----I had to go through 2DLP HD Tvs before I got the 3rd one that I currently have that works!!!). You say a lot of things in anger that you could regret later.I was just mad that I bought the "best" and it broke. We'll see in a month or so when I get my replacement how the next one goes---DrAsus

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When you get your replacement scope check the rings you are using. I had mounted my Nikon Omega in Burris QR rings on a one piece steel mount on my Encore Pro Hunter. This replaced a Simmons Pro Diamond with Leupold QR rings. I had the same problem you had. Seems whatever adjustments I made I just couldn't get it zeroed in. I remounted the Omega with the Leupold QR rings from the Pro Diamond and that resolved the problem. I intended to use the Pro Diamond as a back-up scope and had alreadysightedit for the Encore. The Burris rings were not cheap, but as most things today, imported from China. Good Luck!

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+1
Lee

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ROCK----- I have Talley 1 piece aluminum MED extended eye relief mount. I'm thinking of seeing if I can return it for the HIGH mount as the Med mount works, but I'd perfer it to be a little higher. I was back and forth between the Talleys and the Ded Nutz game reaper mounts---finally decided on the Talleys. EXCELLENT quality!!!! As a matter of fact when I rescope my Browning BAR Safarri II .270 I plan on buying Talleys for it-------DrAsus

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Muzzleloaders are one to throw us all a curve especially when sighting in. It is sure more time consuming than a centerfire that you can lock in a rest and just keep feeding in ammo. The muzzy has to be reloaded after each shot and it is nearly impossible to get it back in the rest each and every time. What load were you shooting? I doubt that it caused it, I'm always interested to see what people are up to in their loads. I have seceral Bushnell Banners, Tascos, and Red heads and they all hold up great. Granted yours is a lot more than mine but it should hold up like a rock. Other guys here shoot with the same scope you have and I've never heard of any troubles. You must have been hit by the muzzleloading god "dascopeisbroken" (The scope is broken) he usually appears when you get that new scope and all hell breaks loose or just before opening day when you hadn't had a chance to sight in all year.[:@]

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Nikon has a lifetime warranty I believe. Just send it to them and they will probably send you a new one.

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Colorado---I called Natchez SS where I purchased and they advised to send it back with the explanation I gave over the phone to customer service and to include whether I wanted a refund or a replacement. I sent it off the other day and I'm getting a replacement. I just have bad luck I guess---getting Nikon's 1 in a million dud!! haha I have to say I am very impressed with natchez as well as the optic quality of Nikon. They are IMPRESSIVE!! So I'll get my new one , remount and get her sighted in. I'm also thinking about getting the HIGH mount instead of the MED Talley I have. The Med mount works, but I think I'd be happer with the HIGH cocking the hammer back on my Triumph. I was shooting TC "cheap shot sabot" 240 gr with 2 777 50gr pellets. I was just gonna get it pretty close and then come back with what I actually decide to hunt with. Now that I have to wait on my scope and possibly my mounts again, I have a little more time to research what grain and brand I want to shoot. I will probably go ahead and get on what I decide and sight in with that---so I know exactly what to expect on a real hunt.--DrAsus

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Someone stated to tighten the ring screws to 25' lbs. I think that should read 25" lbs. 25 ' lbs. would crush the scope tube pretty much. ;)

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I'm glad to see that Natchez is doing the right thing. And, in this day and time, they certainly didn't have to given the return policy date had passed. Good for them and good for you!

Hammer