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cayugad 03-09-2009 01:04 PM

Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
3-9-09 and 45ยบ above zero.. There was very little wind today also. And sunny. I mean what more could a old boy from Wisconsin ask for.

So I looked at the Gun Rack and tried to picture which rifle has not been shot for a long time. There it was, my White Ultra Mag .504 sitting right in front of me. I have not shot it because it is one of them rifles (as most White Rifle owners know) that you shoot it, set the scope and its dead on for the next hundred years or so. But it is also one of them rifles that is just plain fun to shoot. "Normally" its very accurate, you don't have to swab if you don't want to, and the conical bullets are slip fit. So its easy to load, fast to shoot, and just goes off. So I decided to play with powder charges and to shoot this rifle foul. In other words shoot it until it starts to fail.

I set the target up at 63 yards. It was pretty cool, the snow was frozen hard enough to walk on if you took it easy and did not set your foot too hard. People who live in snow zones know what I mean.

I was using a bench rest. And the rifle has a 2-7x32 Nikon Pro Staff on it. Since it normally likes 70 grain of Triple Seven 3f, but my Bison likes 2f, I decided to see if the Ultra Mag liked 2f. With its long barrel is should take a stronger charge and burn the powder better then my short little Bison, so I set the rifle up with 90 grains of Triple Seven 2f and a Bull Shop 460 grain Conical. I was using RWS caps.



This is loading and shooting as fast as I can. I did swab once, more out of habit. But I did want to see if I was getting any kind of a crud ring. I actually did have a little hard build up down there. Swabbed it clean and shot. Believe it or not.. that is fifteen shots. Not too shabby in my book at 63 yards.

I then lowered the charge to 80 grains of Pyrodex P and changed to some 500 grain Bull Shop Conicals. I put a new target up next to the other and shot five rounds.



The Pyrodex P hits are marked in blue. I was not happy with that at all. So I changed back to 80 grains of Triple Seven 2f and the 500 grain conicals and shot at the same target. That big hole in among the Pyrodex hits is the results.

I then checked my rings to make sure they were tight. And decided to up that charge to 90 grains and the 500 grain Bull Shop. I have to admit the rifle was getting really filthy.



I had put over 25 rounds through this rifle, swabbed once, and it was still shooting. The five hits at that little corner target showed the start of fliers I believed.

I then had shot off the rest of the 500 grains, and could have shot a few more of the 460 grain, but decided to try something else. I got some home casted 320 grain REAL Conicals with a home made lube on them. I loaded 60 grains of Triple Seven 2f, and picked out a spot on the target of a big bucks head and started shooting as fast as I could.

I hammered that for about eight more and then the rifle was belching out a cloud of smoke on every shot. I figured it would fail soon. Finally the primers started to misfire. I was sure I could wipe that area out, but having pushed around 40 rounds through it decided to call it a day.

That Ultra Mag is an amazing rifle.

Underclocked 03-09-2009 01:13 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
boringly accurate - that's my description. :D

cayugad 03-09-2009 01:20 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
Before I owned on of these and used to listen to you guys talk about the Whites and what they could do... I used to be a little skeptical to say the least. Then when Sportsmans Warehouse had that sale on them and everyone was getting them. I could not believe how easy and fun it was to shoot an inline. I was about ready to give up on inlines because I hate to swab. I do it, but I do not enjoy swabbing a bore.

Now I own three Whites. Actually that .451 Model 97 is a really tack driver. It has a Bushnell Elite 3200 on it and that rifle will just flat out shoot.

The Bison I bought more for parts as the bore I was told was in poor shape. And it is. Who ever owned that rifle should be tied to a tree and horse whiped. He let that bore go big time down hill. But I cleaned it up real good and it is a pretty good shooter for having a bore that looks like the devil.

mountaineer magic 03-09-2009 01:46 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
Man that is one nice shooting gun. I hope that my GM Sharpshooter barrel will shoot like that. If not I might have to trade something for a White:D

Semisane 03-09-2009 02:09 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
Sure, it shoots good. But would a 460 grain lead bullet over 90 grains of T7 be enough for deer? :D:D

Fine shooting there Cayugad. You turn me green with envy every time you post targest from a White. If I needed another in-line (which I don't) I would be looking for one.

hunting junkie 03-09-2009 02:11 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
That is some darn good shooting.Now i realize why it sits there, some things just can't be outdone.

oldsmellhound 03-09-2009 02:53 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
That is some amazing shooting! You can't argue with that, though I have to admit I'd be a little nervous pulling the trigger on 90 grains T7 and a 500 grain conical. Jeeez, you could drop a Rhino with that load.

dmurphy317 03-09-2009 03:25 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
I don't think I'll ever get rid of my Umag, it's just too good a gun and always shoots well. I can't think of anything I've put down the bore that wasn't at least hunting accurate with most being very accurate as yours is Dave. Got to love a consistent gun like that.

cayugad 03-09-2009 03:38 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 

ORIGINAL: dmurphy317

I don't think I'll ever get rid of my Umag, it's just too good a gun and always shoots well. I can't think of anything I've put down the bore that wasn't at least hunting accurate with most being very accurate as yours is Dave. Got to love a consistent gun like that.
How true..

Like UC said... "boringly accurate - that's my description"

I wish I had more range.. I really like reading Sabotloader shooting clay birds at 200 yards and such. That to me would be a real challenge. In my yard I can get 115 yards, a little more if I crawl up into the other woods... but if not for the yard... 50 yards is a long shot around here.

Grouse45 03-09-2009 06:36 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
Very nice shooting Cayugad. I was turned off on these along time ago on HA. I have learned over the years they are really good at what they do best. Shooting heavy connicals. I might need to find Bob Bowers (super91) and get one of these some day. Thanks for the report. Have you tried the 300grn lead bullets in your flinter yet?

cayugad 03-09-2009 07:06 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
In fact I was going to shoot them today but changed my mind. Now it looks like we have a blizzard headed my way, so I have to shoot early tomorrow. Might get that done. And you said with a 1-48 twist to shoot about 100 grains of black powder.. right?

Grouse45 03-09-2009 07:34 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
100grns should be perfect. Never really tried more or less.

gregrn43 03-10-2009 09:16 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
What more could one asked for

gleason.chapman 03-11-2009 02:53 AM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
Boy that 777 2f with the 460 Bull Stops really shot tight. Very nice.I think if you shot in 3" high at 100 those Bull Stops could shoot to 150 no problem. Chap

cayugad 03-11-2009 09:02 AM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
Chap - the funny part was, as I kept shooting and they just kept piling up in that hole, it kind of amazed me. I was expecting a flier any time. BUT I concentrated on the rifle hold and sight picture and also trigger control. Looks like it paid off.

I also think if I were headed out west for an elk hunt, I would sight in three inches high at 100 yards and then be ready for about anything that would cross my path.

falcon 03-11-2009 03:49 PM

RE: Spring Time shooting for a White Ultra Mag
 
That is some really good shooting.


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