BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Rifle used- Knight Disc Elite 45cal.
Range- 104yds
Primers used- Federal 209A.
Sabots used- Harvester and MMP.
Powder used- BH209 135grn and 140grn loads. All loads are by volume.
Bullets used -Lehigh 200grn bullets
T/C 200grn ShockWaves

I broke this up into two range visits again. I was at the range bright and early this morning. I might say very cold as well. The first bullet to try was the 200grn SW with 135grns of powder.

Shot 1-2520 shot 2- 2525 Shot 3- 2528








Next up was the 200grn Lehigh bullet. This bullet gets better everyday. Here i also used 135grns of BH209 by volume with a Harvester sabot. For some reason i couldnt get the velocity like i did with the SW. The Lehigh was actually faster last weekend.

Shot 1- 2496 Shot 2- 2490 Shot 3- 2488







I shot alot of powder and bullets and these two groups were one of the best for each bullet at 104yds.

Next up was the 200grn SW with 140grns of BH209. This is were i came to the conclusion that my 45cal Disc Elite wasnt burning any more then 140grns of BH209. Matter of fact, i got no increase in velocity with the 200grn SW. I fired two shots and noticed know velocity gain in the Chrono. But accuracy was a little better for some reason. This was two shots only. I noticed alot of un burnt powder in the snow.




Next up was the 200grn Lehigh bullet with 140grns of BH209. This bullet seems to get better the faster i shoot it.

Shot 1- 2516 Shot 2- 2515 Shot 3- 2549 Shot three was harder load. Does that explain the increase in velocity. I really think so.








As you can see the accuracy is very good with both bullets at these speeds. I believe the Lehigh bullet will be superior on game versus the 200grn SST/ShockWave.

I bought 200 40cal Harvester sabots to shoot this new Lehigh bullet and the new 45 Disc elite. Today i ran out of Harvester sabots at the range.

So before i left i decided to shoot a 3 shot group with the MMP sabots and the 200grn Lehigh bullets. At a big surprise it was the most accurate group of the day at around 2500fps.

Shot 1- 2496 Shot 2- 2460 Shot 3- 2510
Shot 2 loaded very easy. I'm surprised it didnt blow the group. That is what i find with MMP sabots. That sabot that falls down the bore once and awhile. I HATE THAT.









After three jugs of powder today , i was very happy with both bullets at 2500fps at 104yds. I do think 140grns by volume is max in the 45caiber Knight Disc Elite with BH209.

I did shoot several groups with both bullets at 200yds. I will do report on that another day with some more shooting. I will say both bullets did very well at 200yds. For those that have followed some of my reports on Modern Muzzleloader. The 200grn Lehigh out of my 45cal Knight Disc Elite out shot my 50cal Triumph with a 250grn SST at 200yds. If you find or remember that picture from my Triumph keep it to yourself for now.

For those that are concerned about sabots i found the ones shot with 140grns by volume of BH209. I never wory about what the sabot looks like, only the target. Here's a pic for those that do care. I thought they looked really good. These were the Harvester sabots.
























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RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

I do want to mention something while i'm thinking about it. A guy on Modern Muzzleloader made a post right before i got banned that made alot of sense to me and i really respect were he's coming from. All these boards have sponsors. Owners and Moderators can have some benefits from this.

It would be nice to know when some one is testing a product, how the person testing the product is affiliated with the product. Muzzleloaders, Bullets, Powders, sabots,etc.

I learned of Lehigh bullets from the internet. www.lehighbullets.com
I ordered some 250grn bullets, then shot them and did a report on them. I was so immpressed i bought the 300grn .458 bullets to test in loose bore savages. I was extremely immpressed again.

So i went thru his web-site and could not find any 40cal 200grn bullets. I decided to call Lehigh bullets. Dave the owner answered the phone. I introduced myself and happily explained how much i like his bullets.

After awhile i mentioned 40cal bullets. I explained to him there are alot of people who feel the need for speed. Steve White for one SW on the board, and many others. I offered to pay for them and test them if he would make them. At my surprise he said sure Tom give me a couple weeks or so. That's awesome, i'm thinking in the back of my mind. Of course i got excited that this guy was going to do something for a nobody that loves to shoot Muzzleloaders.

Dave has not charged me for any of the 40cal 200grn bullets. He has sent me atleast 350 of them. I am not promoting this bullet because of that. I'm doing it because they look great and flat out shoot. The real test will be on game and that cant come soon enough. I plan on testing on a Hog real soon.

Even though bullets are free to test, there is alot of time and money still involved.

4 packs of Harvester sabots gone-$25.00 bucks

7 0r 8 cans of BH209 gone in the process of testing all these bullets. Even the one's i paid for. Thats like $240.00 Bucks in powder.

Like 350 federal 209A primers. $15.00 bucks I just bought a Brick of 1000 today for $35.00 bucks.

I spent two days weighing 135grn loads, and 140grn loads. My volume measure only goes up to 125grns. So i dumped 125grns in a scale and then another 10grns right down the weight and weigh out 50 of them. Then the same thing for the 140grn loads. Thats three cans of BH209 weighed out. Then turn around and shoot it all in one day.

As some of you are saying, you didnt hafto. Thats right. Now i know i can shoot atleast 100 shots at 2500fps and have no plastic fouling in the bore and loose accuracy. The last group of the day was the best.

All this work is also so you dont hafto. if you like the 200grn SST/Shockwave theres alot of good information for you here. If you like the 200grn Lehigh theres alot of good information here for you.

We all waste money on something every day, every week, every month,etc. These bullets are no waste of money i can tell you. I hope to have in the field results from a ML soon.

I like looking at other peoples pictures. I'm going to post some more pics from today.

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Pretty cool stuff! Thanks for the report and dang!, you shot a lot today!!!

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

P.S. Where'd you get that sweet BH209 hat??? :D

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Grouse - Very good report and very good shooting too. You were getting very good consistancy velocity wise with your loads. Not much variation. I'm sure that help with the accuracy. Of course the bullets and shooting technique also helped.
Thanks for the report.

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Grouse - Very good report and very good shooting too. You were getting very good consistancy velocity wise with your loads. Not much variation. I'm sure that help with the accuracy. Of course the bullets and shooting technique also helped.
Thanks for the report.

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Nice report Tom. Ishould have my new .45 Elite next month.

Shot the .50 yesterday with BH209 and the NFPJ plug. No ignition issues....but was up to 62*.

Good groups with 250gr Shock Waves and short black MMP sabots. Best groups with the250 SWwereusing the old Knight HP sabots (they loaded a little tighter).Old faithful 300 XTP's (.452) and short black Harvesters were impressive as well. I'll take some pics next time.

Thanks for the load advise.... Rob

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Excellent report, Excellent information, very good shooting. Thank you, Lee

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Thanks for the detailed report. Awesome info and shooting.
Cajun

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Great report. Any Idea when the 200 grain lehigh bullets are gonna be availible. Id like to try some

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Excellent shooting Grouse45. Are these the 200g Leigh bullets? You pointed out everything except the bullets. Looks like they come in a SW container, but that may be a left over just to hold them. You also must have an iron shoulder to shoot that much. If I shoot 20 shots with my Savage at 2350 with 300g bullets, I am done, that is with a lead sled and two 5 lb weights of sand. Thse look like aBarnes MZ 195 wiht the large hollow point. I like the looks of them.Do you intend to shoot them in a 50 cal also with the 50/40 MMPs? I guess your follow the Savage Pacnor trend to shoot 250 and 300 with 40 cal guns and sabotless, but I think your way is much cheaper, since you just buy another rifle.
Chap

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

I believe your a "gound breaker" in shooting the 45 cal, especially with these hot of a load. I don't see any load data for the 45 with a 40 cal bullet over at BH site: http://www.blackhorn209.com/files/pdf/b209muzzleloaderdata.pdf

is that why they threw you off MM for "showing unsafe MLing practices" or something like that? I am a member over there, but I don't follow that board.
Chap

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Chap

Knight Disc Extreme and Elite are capable of shooting 150 grains T7 loose with a given projectile.

BH is a progressive burning smokeless powder and does not create the peak pressure that T7 does. T7 burns a consistant rate which is fairly fast as compared to BH. BH in effect does create pressure in the barrel for a longer period of time than does T7 and thus creates a greater velocity. Acting much like real smokeless powder with a longer burning rate such as 4064 vs 4350. Another characteristic of BH is that it is much more efficient with heavier projectiles.

With Grouse using a 200 grain projectile - BH really does not realize it's full potential and the pressure is significantly less than say shooting a 300 grain projectile.

I hope this makes some sense - I have it semi-clear in my mind but I am not a very good writer... I am sure Tom will/can correct me if I am wrong.

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Sabotloader explained it perfect.Thanks Mike. That 200grn bullet with that load is very user friendly on the shoulder.

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Grouse, I don't meen to get in your business but why were you removed from MM. I appreciate all of your hard work and always enjoy reading your reviews and looking at the pictures. I like to see other peoplesguns and set-ups. Thanks for all of your hard work and dedication tothe sport of muzzleloading. Keep up the good work. I'm also a member on the other forum. I was just wondering what happened.

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Just some different opinions would sum it up. That was/is a great site. I was posting there when there was only three people. Thanks for all the kind words. It's greatly appreciated.

RE: BH209 and 200grn Bullets at 2500fps.
 

Yep, that is the 40cal 200grn bullet.