Getting the new Triumph Ready
 

Finally got both Renegades cleaned up and out away so I turned my attention to the new Triumph.

The first problem I tried to tackle was the lock up mechanism. I could lock and un-lock the gun with very little pressure - just my little finger. I called TC and talked to a tech and he said that was to light - he said to send it in - but I decided to give it a shot myself first - it is a very simple gun - can not figure out why it should cost so much. So took the gun apart and got into the trigger mechanism to adjust the cam. I have no idea why I forgot to get some pictures but I did. I really did not like the method that is needed to take the barrel away from the receiver. You have to loosen a lock screw and remove a pin at the front of the trigger guard - not difficult just a nusiance. To get the cam nut to adjust the closing pressure you need to remove the stock and then a pin from the reciever. With the pin out the trigger guard and the cam will fall out in your hand. NOTE: if you push the pin out from left to right and only as far as necessary to remove the mechanism you will not loose the trigger spring. The only slightly difficult problem is one end of the trigger return spring rides on the top of that pin and it is somewhat fun to get it back in the proper place. Adjust the cam not is not a problem it is has some line marks on the nut notice where they are and start your adjustments. In my case the pressure was to light so I turned the clockwise 1/4 turn and re-installed trigger guard. Re-assembled the receiver installed the barrel - And it worked I now have snap pressure.

The next thing I did was to pack the hollow butt stock with bubble wrap to reduce stock noise. Installed stock back on the receiver and the forearm back onto the barrel. I like the way the forearm installs - it should not cause any accuracy problems.

Next, I turned to the bore - wonder what size it really is? Just for drill I dropped a .495 round ball down the barrel - I really expected to drop - bang to the bottom but it didn't, it slid done somewhat slowly, I could even hear it push some air out of the breech plug, then when I tipped the barrel down I heard and felt it start its way out but it never came out - it got hung up in there.... Removed the plug and pushed it out with the ram rod - fell right out... This gun is going to have a very tight bore, I am expecting .499/.500.

Next I started to clean the barrel... that poduced some interesting results... I ran patch treated with traditions bore solvent down the barrel - that was even tight and when it came out it came out a bit dirty and yellow...(first patch on left) next to down was a dry patch it was very tight also and did come out with a bit of discoloration on it also - so flipped it over and ran it again - Next down was a dry patch - it came out with definite black streaks... Next patch down was a patch treated with Montana Extreme Bore Conditioner - it came out dirty did not look good at all. Took the gun to the shop and ran two patches of Barnes CR-10 - I gotta tell you I have never seen a white patch come out that blue - ran it both sides - both sides turned blue.... Ran one more CR-10 patch and it came out lighter - Left it sitting with CR-10 in the bore working for an hour...



What causes the blue color... Finally got the bore spic-an-span clean and it really looks good.

Next, I decided i would try to push some sabot/projectiles through. I took the easy way out first - I ran a 200 XTP and a Harvester 'crush wib' - it was tight - there is no way a MMP 40 cal sabot would be put down this bore with out pounding it down. Then I tried a .452/250 FTX again first in a Harvester 'crush rib'. Again loaded very snuggly - i think it would be a good match. Then I tried the MMP HPH-3p. Think this will be the first one I try with BH. Next I tried a Harvester 'short black' - if I had to load that each time I wanted to shoot the Triumph BH or not - I would sell the gun- there is not joy loading the short black.



Finally weight - I like the weight of this gun - i could carry this around all day and feel pretty good about it. This is the wieght with scope installed.



My 270 Browning 'A' bolt is slightly lighter 7.11 lbs.

Now just got to find time to go shoot it.

RE: Getting the new Triumph Ready
 

What do you expect was in that bore? I never saw a patch come out like that.

That really is a light rifle. Do you expect a lot of recoil on that rifle, or is the stock such that it should soak up the kick?

Also that really is a tight bore if a .495 ball will not roll through it.

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cayugad

That blue and really a bright blue surprised me. Copper turns the patch green, I know that - but that intense blue???? Maybe lead but would go blue but I thought it would come out grey...

The only thing special for recoil is that it has a Simms recoil pad on it. And it really is spongy soft. It will be interseting to shoot it. I am going to start off with 10mm/200 grain bullets and work my way up through from there.

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Mike, my Triunph was like that when I got it, it miked at just under .498, after I fought it for a while I lead lapped it close to .500. I am quite happy with it now. Even the crush ribs were tight to start with now it will use the SB Harvester and the MMP HPH 24. Lee

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Lee

Good to know...

Right now I am not going to lap this one - just shoot it. But I think I will be using 3p's they load just right on a clean barrel and on a BH fouled barrel they should really be good....

What about that longggg Breech plug how bad does the flash channel build up with BH carbon - actually how fast?

I took it out in the garage and shot 5 primers a few minute ago - I was surprised how clean the exterior of the BP was - it really dirtied up the barrel though.

I am trying to get some spare 'O' rings and gas seals from TC - but I could not catch any one in the store this afternoon - I did get thru to a repair tech though - that surprised me.

later - mike

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Here's a wild guess with respect to the blue patch. There are some very specialized greases that contain copper.I wonder if TC is using some type of copper containing lubricant in the rifling process.

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That very well might be Semisane.

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I am doing some testing on that now, what I know so far is that the regular winchester primers while shooting very accurate also are one of the worst for carboning up the plug between where the 209 sets and the touch hole, I have had a fair amout of carbon in as little as a dozen or 15 shots, The Rem STS appears to be much better so I am thinking it may have a lot to do with what primer is used.
I picked up a screw driver that powered by flash light batteries that came with a drill [1/8] and a screw driver tip for 10 dollars it is a wood drill and not as hard as the BP so it is not going to cut it up and it cleans out the carbon in about 2 or 3 seconds, very handy. Lee

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Semi

Very good! I think you are right - the barrel was coated with something in there I could see it.... regular solvent did not touch it - but the Barnes CR-10 sure loosened it up.

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Lee

I have some Cheddites - I'll try them. Plus I will try some CCI-209m's

I have one of those little lithium powered drills that would work very well also...

Just looked the speed breeches are expensive....

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As with any Muzzleloader, anyone can find something to complain about. The trigger should snap and lock the gun up tight. As you stated very loose and not working properly. The triumphs are very very tight bores. My most accurate load was the 250grn SST with the Harvester short Black sabot. It would flat out shoot tight groups. Is it to hard to load for hunting? One two or maybe three times a year if you got a very accurate load? Keep us posted on how it shoots. I will be very surprised if the three petal sabot shoots. worst sabot i ever tried to be honest.

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TomDrechsler

At this point on a brand new bore - they are definitely to hard to load to be considered a hunting sabot. I would also expect the bore to loosen as it is used.

Gee! I am sorry to here that about the 3p - I have never had a gun that I needed to use them in, but before they were released to the public Del sent me a couple of hundred to try. I shot them in my A&H and they certainly worked well there - Hopefully maybe they will work in this Triumph to get me started.

I am hoping to get out and pull the trigger the first time this weekend, although I am suppose to trap shoot both Saturday and Sunday. I am going to weigh some loads of BH tomorrow and get ready... are you going 70 grains by wieght to 100 grains by volume or 67 grains/100...

My complaints are function of my age, I am an old guy that that is locked in things that i call normal, normal look, normal fit, evrything needs to be normal - when I hit something new it requires that 'I' adapt - there in lies the problem.

Tom, I am glad you have made your way over here - this is really a good place lots of knowing people and people that want to know.

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Hi Mike, Congradulations on your new ML, hope you enjoy it! My buddy that also got the Triumh got himself into a jam. He got a sabot stuck in the bore. I asked him if he ran a patch down the bore after every shot and he said no, was I suppos to? I guess it's my fault for not letting him load and shoot on his own. As befor he used my ML and I'd load it and when and if he shot it I'd bring it home and clean and reload it for him.
Now that he has his own ML he has a-lot to learn. I guess my one day on the range with him was'nt enough, my fault for not stressing the facts on everything about loading and shooting and cleaning. Im just glad he did'nt blow it up with a short started load! I have'nt seen it to help him out yet, but I told him to leave it alone untill I get there. He said he's had enough and wants to quit already.
I'll straighten him out and get him back in the saddle. Anyway good to see your having fun, I have'nt got to shoot since the last time I did. Our weather is just finally starting to get better. Keep us posted on your likes and dislikes on the Trimuph, so I can help my buddy out with his. BP

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sabotloader
I've got a Triumph that is identical to yours. It has proven to be good shooter with several bullets and 110gn BH. What do think about the finish on the barrel? The bluing job on mine leaves a lot to be desired. In fact I've experienced some strange markings on the inside of the barrel; similar to pitting. BH is all I've ever shot out of mine. I like the way it handles and the overall weight. My barrel is also very tight. With .452 bullets I use the Harvester Black Crushed Ribs. It's not an Encore for sure but it shoots well.
Zen

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Breechplug

I wish the gun was mine... Grouse sent it to me from PA to shoot. I was actually asking him about a Disc Elite and he asked me if I wanted to shoot a Triumph - now what a guy suppose to say:) Well, it showed up Tuesday and I have been getting it ready to go since then. It is a brand new gun so I wanted to take it apart clean and lube it.

I plan to shoot a lot of different stuff out it- even stuff I do not normally shoot, the only stipulation set forth by Grouse was he wanted me to shoot BH in the gun. Have you heard of Parker Bullets? Well they make them over the hill from me and I even want to try some of them - they are expensive but I think might be able to buy a few and have Bob donate some for the expriments.

I will try to post everything I do as Tom wants to know what is going on also.

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Nope, never heard of Parker Bullets. I also never got a gun that I had to give back, kinda like getting a new puppy and once you bond you have to give it back. But I guess you'll have fun experimenting and if for some reason you dont like the ML you did'nt buy it so you just send it back. Anyway Im sure you'll have fun and that's all that matters, Take Care and Havea Blast! Ron

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Panhandle

I am not sure that is blueing... I think it is the new stuff a colored Weather Shield. This one does not look to bad right now.

Right now the bore in this gun looks like glass - I sure hope it stays that way. I am hoping BH is good as everyone says. I have only shot a couple of bottles of it in different guns.

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I have been shooting the T777 primers and had great luck with them, and as far as cleaning the breech plug the breech plug cleaners from cva work great

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Mike I have one recommendation on the drill, the very cheap wood [twist] are not hard enough to cut hard steel and work quite well for cutting out the carbon very quickly with out endangering the B Plug. Lee

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Lee

Good info...

It is clear and 20 degrees here - 3/4" inches of new snow - but I think I will have to go out and do it this morning... Terry has the truck for a book sale this morning but by mid-day I should have it... gotta go weight some BH...

thanks - mike

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Dont worry, he would have first option if by chance he wanted it. He's under no obligation at all. It's nice to see and hear other peoples opinions.

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Grouse45

Dang you are reading my mind.... i really blew it @ the first of the week Nimroder put his black Triumph in the classified on MM for $200.... I was 7 minutes late... Dang!

Been some real interesting developments today... fill you in later about it - gotta get to the farm on Monday or maybe Tuesday and get another round of shooting in.

Have you seen the information on the new Bushnell Ballistic Reticule? Called Bushnell the other day and the nice lady said she is sending a one of the new ones for a replacement, but they are still out in the Pacific Ocean someplace.

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sabotloaderjust shoe terry Grouse45'spost and your half way there.While your humming happy birthday.

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hunting junkie

Well see there is a small problem... She wanted to go to Spokane last week to do some shopping and I did also, but I talked her out of it because of the economy right now we are kinda watching our pennies... so I am thinking you can see the wisdom in me not saying anything right now....

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I hear ya, if she's anything like my wife she probably already thinks you bought it.:D

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For some reason TC makes all theirbarrels tight. Just once I would like to hear why from someone from the company. I canthink of no other company, that I have firedtheir gun, that does this to their barrels.

I could never getmy Encoreto loosen up. Ijust got tired of it for that andother reasonsand got rid of it.

Now I am a much happier man, this much: Go figure?

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I can say that my pro hunter shot the tightest load it ever had the other day.And it also shot the best with it.
Am i happy about it,no i'm not, being i don't swab in the field. But i will live with it for the first reason.