Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
02-14-2009, 12:29 PM
#21
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
Yeah, I know you're right Chap. 
I don't plan to shoot Blackhornout of the Omega anyway- didn't get any better accuracy with it than I get with T7 in that gun, and I'd rather swab between shots than clean that Blackhorn varnish off of the breech plug.
It's just that I WANT to see what it does in the Mustang, and modifying the breechplug should do no harm as far as shooting other powders with it. I have half of my first canister of BH left to play around with. I'm really wondering if it might give me better accuracy with the Mustang than I can get with T7. In theone sessionI shotwith .25 ACPsI got groups that "almost" equaled my T7 groups, even with delayed ignition on every shot. I'm wondering if instant ignition will give me fantastic groups. If not, there will be no more BH purchases for me.
I don't plan to shoot Blackhornout of the Omega anyway- didn't get any better accuracy with it than I get with T7 in that gun, and I'd rather swab between shots than clean that Blackhorn varnish off of the breech plug.
It's just that I WANT to see what it does in the Mustang, and modifying the breechplug should do no harm as far as shooting other powders with it. I have half of my first canister of BH left to play around with. I'm really wondering if it might give me better accuracy with the Mustang than I can get with T7. In theone sessionI shotwith .25 ACPsI got groups that "almost" equaled my T7 groups, even with delayed ignition on every shot. I'm wondering if instant ignition will give me fantastic groups. If not, there will be no more BH purchases for me.
02-14-2009, 12:29 PM
#22
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
I have been wondering about the guns that use 209 primers and won't shoot BH, maybe they would shoot more accurate and consistent if the ignition were tuned up.
As for the male cow fertilizer about the primer pushing the round up the barrel before the powder ignites, I think that is disproved by the fact that some of us are shooting the hottest primes we can getand shooting good groups. I have posted a group that was around a 1/4 inch that was shot with CCI mag 209's if the round was moving from the primer then we certainly would not get good groups let alone under 1/2 inch. Lee
As for the male cow fertilizer about the primer pushing the round up the barrel before the powder ignites, I think that is disproved by the fact that some of us are shooting the hottest primes we can getand shooting good groups. I have posted a group that was around a 1/4 inch that was shot with CCI mag 209's if the round was moving from the primer then we certainly would not get good groups let alone under 1/2 inch. Lee
02-14-2009, 01:41 PM
#23
Fork Horn
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
ORIGINAL: Semisane
Yeah, I know you're right Chap.
I don't plan to shoot Blackhornout of the Omega anyway- didn't get any better accuracy with it than I get with T7 in that gun, and I'd rather swab between shots than clean that Blackhorn varnish off of the breech plug.
It's just that I WANT to see what it does in the Mustang, and modifying the breechplug should do no harm as far as shooting other powders with it. I have half of my first canister of BH left to play around with. I'm really wondering if it might give me better accuracy with the Mustang than I can get with T7. In theone sessionI shotwith .25 ACPsI got groups that "almost" equaled my T7 groups, even with delayed ignition on every shot. I'm wondering if instant ignition will give me fantastic groups. If not, there will be no more BH purchases for me.
Yeah, I know you're right Chap.
I don't plan to shoot Blackhornout of the Omega anyway- didn't get any better accuracy with it than I get with T7 in that gun, and I'd rather swab between shots than clean that Blackhorn varnish off of the breech plug.
It's just that I WANT to see what it does in the Mustang, and modifying the breechplug should do no harm as far as shooting other powders with it. I have half of my first canister of BH left to play around with. I'm really wondering if it might give me better accuracy with the Mustang than I can get with T7. In theone sessionI shotwith .25 ACPsI got groups that "almost" equaled my T7 groups, even with delayed ignition on every shot. I'm wondering if instant ignition will give me fantastic groups. If not, there will be no more BH purchases for me.
02-14-2009, 01:49 PM
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
lyman doesnt have an HQ based in the US to take care of customer service/warranty replacement? A 1 year warranty has got to be the worse ive heard of, besides the one that doesnt have one lol
02-14-2009, 02:37 PM
#25
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
The breech plug on the omega is like a water line in your house, 3/4"pipe running almost all the way
to the fixture then taken down to 1/2" pipe to create better pressure.As the mustang does not create pressure.
02-14-2009, 03:19 PM
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
ORIGINAL: MountainDevil54
lyman doesnt have an HQ based in the US to take care of customer service/warranty replacement? A 1 year warranty has got to be the worse ive heard of, besides the one that doesnt have one lol
lyman doesnt have an HQ based in the US to take care of customer service/warranty replacement? A 1 year warranty has got to be the worse ive heard of, besides the one that doesnt have one lol
Lyman over all in my opinion is one of the best black powder guns. Got my first one in 1981.
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02-14-2009, 03:30 PM
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
From the Lyman web site.
Warranty/Repair Policy
Your Lyman Product has been produced under rigid standards of manufacture and inspection. However, if your Lyman product is found to be defective in material or workmanship within one year of delivery to the first retail purchaser, we will repair or replace it without charge.
If you require service under this warranty, please return the complete item along with a letter of explanation, including your complete name and address, freight prepaid to the factory at the address listed below. Your Lyman product will be repaired or replaced and returned to you within 30 days of our receipt. In making any return of a Lyman product to the factory, please be sure it is packaged with proper care to protect it from damage in transit.
We are sorry, but our warranty cannot apply to a defect which results from misuse, abuse, neglect, accident or improper care, or if your Lyman product has been altered or repaired by anyone other than factory personnel.
If the item is out of warranty and is in need of repairs, the Lyman product should also be returned to the same address listed below. Appropriate charges will apply for parts and labor. Estimates are available only when the item has been thoroughly inspected by our repair personnel.
Lyman Products Corporation
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Lyman Muzzleloaders
For factory warranty service or repairs, please direct your Lyman muzzleloader as follows: Great Plains Rifle, Trade Rifle, Deerstalker Rifle, Plains Pistol, Mustang Breakaway™ 209 Magnum Rifle
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Your Lyman Product has been produced under rigid standards of manufacture and inspection. However, if your Lyman product is found to be defective in material or workmanship within one year of delivery to the first retail purchaser, we will repair or replace it without charge.
If you require service under this warranty, please return the complete item along with a letter of explanation, including your complete name and address, freight prepaid to the factory at the address listed below. Your Lyman product will be repaired or replaced and returned to you within 30 days of our receipt. In making any return of a Lyman product to the factory, please be sure it is packaged with proper care to protect it from damage in transit.
We are sorry, but our warranty cannot apply to a defect which results from misuse, abuse, neglect, accident or improper care, or if your Lyman product has been altered or repaired by anyone other than factory personnel.
If the item is out of warranty and is in need of repairs, the Lyman product should also be returned to the same address listed below. Appropriate charges will apply for parts and labor. Estimates are available only when the item has been thoroughly inspected by our repair personnel.
Lyman Products Corporation
475 Smith Street
Middletown, CT 06457
Attn: Service Department
Lyman Muzzleloaders
For factory warranty service or repairs, please direct your Lyman muzzleloader as follows: Great Plains Rifle, Trade Rifle, Deerstalker Rifle, Plains Pistol, Mustang Breakaway™ 209 Magnum Rifle
Dixon Muzzleloading
9952 Kunkels Mill Road
Kempton, PA 19529
(610) 756-6271
02-14-2009, 03:38 PM
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
Semi
I would bet the world you already know this but since FG/MD's posted the information thought I would supply someaccurate information
FG's statement:
Here is Lyman home:
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/home/
Lyman Products Corporation
475 Smith Street
Middletown, CT 06457
Attn: Service Department
Here is the Lyman contact information:
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/contact/
Well looks like I was late getting to the well... water is all gone you already have the information...
I would bet the world you already know this but since FG/MD's posted the information thought I would supply someaccurate information
FG's statement:
lyman doesnt have an HQ based in the US to take care of customer service/warranty replacement? A 1 year warranty has got to be the worse ive heard of, besides the one that doesnt have one
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/home/
Lyman Products Corporation
475 Smith Street
Middletown, CT 06457
Attn: Service Department
Here is the Lyman contact information:
http://www.lymanproducts.com/lyman/contact/
Well looks like I was late getting to the well... water is all gone you already have the information...
02-14-2009, 04:03 PM
#29
Typical Buck
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
Semi
My Encore breech plugs that have 25 acp which are the same as the omega work fine with BH 209. I cannot see a difference between them and the 209 primer. I use the 209 just because I don't have to clean brass and reprime.
My Encore breech plugs that have 25 acp which are the same as the omega work fine with BH 209. I cannot see a difference between them and the 209 primer. I use the 209 just because I don't have to clean brass and reprime.
02-14-2009, 07:34 PM
#30
Spike
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RE: Mustang/Blackhorn Issue Not Looking Good
ORIGINAL: gleason.chapman
Why go to all that work? Just shoot BH in your Omega and 777 in you Mustang, why go to all that work on a maybe for the Mustang? Seems sorta semiSane to me to not like BH for so long, then to wanna use it in every rifle.It is way too expensive to shoot for practice/plinking. I like it in my Omega, and I got a deer last night (90 lb doe) with 100g of BH in a Knight Disc with open sights, but if it didn't shoot in either rifle I would just stay with what I know works. Cayugad has alot of rifles and he knows what powder, what load, what bullet works in each.I think that is the proper model for each personality of rifle, the Mustang just won't shoot it.
Chap
Why go to all that work? Just shoot BH in your Omega and 777 in you Mustang, why go to all that work on a maybe for the Mustang? Seems sorta semiSane to me to not like BH for so long, then to wanna use it in every rifle.It is way too expensive to shoot for practice/plinking. I like it in my Omega, and I got a deer last night (90 lb doe) with 100g of BH in a Knight Disc with open sights, but if it didn't shoot in either rifle I would just stay with what I know works. Cayugad has alot of rifles and he knows what powder, what load, what bullet works in each.I think that is the proper model for each personality of rifle, the Mustang just won't shoot it.
Chap
I believe that Semi or sane has caught the BH virus and is just in denial. He just thinks he has made his last BH purchase.
Semi,
Instead of making both modifications to the breechplug at once. You might try to dish out the face and see if it works better then drill out the flash channel. It may only take one or the other modification to work. I thought I remembered a post where the claim was that the dished out face was needed to proper ignition. Of course this might be in the same category as 209 primers unseating the bullet.