Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Got out today to do some shooting. Reading some of Cayugad's posts the other day gave me an itch to shoot a sidehammer + test another barrel that I have used M. X-treme in. This was the first outing with this rifle with a treatment of MX so I was not sure what to expect.
When i got to the Dinger Farm I set everything up including a chronograph just for the heck of it. Never shot PRB's across a chrono. Does a .490 Round Ball have a BC? I mean I know it does but I have no idea what it might be - can not imagine it is real high. I am somewhat disappointed with myself as I did not put the 'sky screens' on the chrono because I felt there was enough cloud cover - now I wish I had - I will have to do the shoot over again to verify velocities - they seem somewhat slow to me for a 175 grain projectile.

Patching.... when I got the rifle out and set it up to begin shooting I ran one dry patch. Then I popped 3 caps and ran the patch again. Then i loaded and commenced to shoot. No additional fouling other than the caps to clear the flash channel. Shooting 60 grains of T7-3f - the first shot hit where I hoped it would and easily was in the group. I was hoping to use the 1 patch for all of the shooting that I was going to do today and I could have but I worked my way through the first patch and had to use a second. I believe I could have loaded all loads today without patching at all. Twice today I did feel the begining of a ruff spot of fouling right above the breech plug - the dry patch worked through it very easily both times.
I shot 18 shots in all. 12 Shots were shot in the target and 6 additional shots shooting 5 clay pigeons placed at 25, 50, 75, and 100 yards. Due to my inability to keep the 'V' peep and the front bead in the correct line it took two shots @ 75 and 100. I find myself trying to 'peak & see' the target better - so allow myself to make the sights fit the picture I want to see. I remain an average open sight shooter - but give me a scope and it is a different story.

Here is the target...



At the end of the day I snapped a picture of the work area. You can see the two dry patches on the edge of the tail gate that I used during the shoot and the two windex patches and a dry patch that I ran at the end of the shoot.



Still do not know if the Montana X-treme is buying me anything - but I continue to work with it and it continues to work for me.

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Here are some BC's that you can use in G1 table.

Caliber/BC
.570 .066
.535 .062
.530 .061
.495 .057
.490 .056
.457 .053
.454 .052
.451 .052
.445 .051
.440 .051
.433 .050
.375 .043
.350 .040

Here is a chart for a .530 ball at 1700 fps with a front sight height of .75 inch above bore centerline and with a 50 yard zero.

Range Elevation Velocity
0 yds -0.75 in 1700 fps
25 yds 0.15 in 1448 fps
50 yds 0.00 in 1242 fps
75 yds -1.56 in 1093 fps
100 yds -4.91 in 997 fps
125 yds -10.37 in 928 fps
150 yds -18.19 in 872 fps
175 yds -28.70 in 824 fps
200 yds -42.10 in 781 fps
225 yds -58.88 in 742 fps
250 yds -79.26 in 705 fps
275 yds -103.57 in 671 fps
300 yds -132.53 in 639 fps


That is some real good shooting there Sabotloader...

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Another good report Sabotloader. DANG! Now you guys have got me horny to shoot some ball, butI'vegot so many things I want to tryin the X7 that I just don't know when I'll get a sidelock out. Hey, is that the.58 Zouave I hear crying in the closet?

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

cayugad

Perfect - thanks Dave that is what I wanted to know... This is the gun that I use for Rhondy shoots... It is really fun to go and just shoot, thats why the light load but it really surprises me how well that load shoots and how far it will shoot...

Again today I think the X-treme really helped. At no time today did have a any problem pushing the load down the barrel - but I did run those dry patches.

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

I have a couple rifles for tomorrow to try out. I put a fancy scope on my Genesis. Its a 1.5-6x40mm with an illuminated cross hair in it. So I want to get that sighted in. And I have another inline I want to shoot. And now I just have to dig out an old Renegade and shoot that. So it looks like a long day on the range. BUT its going to be warm tomorrow. They are talking 26 degrees.

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Run those BCs through your ballistics programs. :D I was going to guess .050 almost as a joke, but Dave's tables sort of made it serious.

Nice report, Mike.

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

UC

Shoot! UC I did try to run it through my ballistics program, but it will not accept a BC less than .100 - Never thought a RB would be down there that far...

I will eventually set up targets at the various ranges and get some measurments that way. But before I can even do that I got figure out a way to quit peeking over the top of the front sight. At close range getting everything centered is fairly easy - i just trust my eye to line things up... but when you are shooting a clay pigeon @ 100 - it is pretty dang small! and with my eyes it is even smaller...

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Better order up some antibiotics, you got a good case of crud ring from UC!!!! I highly recommend using a wet patch rather than a dry patch. :D

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

shuddup!!

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Cdad

Good to hear from ya...

Naw! i don't think it is UC's 'crud ring' it is in da wrong place and I can't use a wet patch cause I am doing a speriment wit a new product.
Dat was my first outing witda new product indis gun &barrel. It takes 2-3 times to make it really good. didja read I only used 2 patches fer da hole shoot?

When I hit disruff spot - even with a dry patch it went right on threw - no hardness to it at all - no need to work it...

We mite be comin ur way da weaken of da 31-1 - let ya no mo later..

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Pretty good shooting there Sabot. Just a shame that you were getting that vertical stringing........ No really that is nice. How much do you figure that ball drops at 100 yds with the 60 gr load? Have you ever shot paper at 100 with it?

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

bronko22000

That verticle stringing is all me... I am still learning how to use the "V" peep that I got from RMC. I fail to make the same sight picture each time. I end up trying to peak over the sights to make sure that I am holding a 6 o'clock hold and by doing that I mess the whole thing up. I just need to do a whloe lot more shooting with that gun - actually any open sight gun.

I have not shot paper beyond 50 yards with this gun but I fully intend to shoot a 75 and 100 yards before the first Rhondy shoot. I did shoot a clay pigeon at 100 tards - it took me two shots. I could see where the first shoot hit a few inches below the pigeon and the second shot and this is really weird, I remember moving the front sight up in the 'V' peep and aiming, by the way a clay pigeon @ a hundered is very small, but anyway i remember the shot going off and I remember a split second after I shot I could still see the pigeon - then when the smoke cleared it was gone. I looke through the binos and it was definitely shattered...

Don't think you could hunt with 60 grains seems awful small but I am not using it for hunting - just trying to hit all the different targets along the walking trail...

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Hornady's ballistic calculator indicates that a .490 rb at 1700 fpscan be sighted for a 100 yd zero, and will be 2.6" high at 50. That's not so bad.

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

UncleNorby

Thanks... that is exactly the information I needed... my calculater will only go as low as .1 for a BC...

Can I find that calulator fairly easily on the Horanady web site???

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Sabot - are you sure the pigeon didn't fly away....:D
Shooting stuff like Dave's ice blocks, your clay pigeons is fun. I live up here in the PA hard coal region. We shoot in one of the old strip mine areas. We like picking out pieces of shale at various ranges and watch them disappear when hit.

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

bronko22000

Never thought about that.... I have been know to miss a bird here and there...

I used to shoot in an old rock pit - I would often pick out chunks of Basalt to shoot at.... I just like to see something happen when the bullets hits....

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Hornady's calculator is but a few clicks away. Go to their site and you should find it.

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Thank's for the report on the MX Mike. I received my Camo/SS ACCURA as promised from Mark @ CVA today, it's a beauty! Now I have 3 bottles of MX BC you talked me in to buying to treat both barrelsof my ACCURA's with, it should last awhile. Now I have to put the scopes on and treat the barrels and wait untill the snow stops, we got 2 feet yesterday! I'll be testing the ML's with a 240gr HP XTP Mag Bullet and 120gr. of T7 2f....I cant Wait!

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Breechplug.. it sounds like you're all set. Remember to just dry patch. Also keep track of if the first shot is a flier. I was talking to Don at Western which sell the Montana X-treme Bore Conditioner and he was asking if the first shot was a flier or not from the group. I told him I would pay attention as in my Bison it was not for a change. So just pay attention to this is you can.. thanks.

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Breechplug

I wondered when it was going to get there... Everything check out OK?

I think we are at the beginning of spring here. We will still get an occasional snow maybe some sub-zero for a short time but I think the worst is over...

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

I will Cayugad, you and Mike will be the first to know. Thank You both for turning us all onto MX! From the results see so far it looks like were all in for a great new product that actually works as said and will make our sport better and more enjoyable. Keep the test comming...........Ron

RE: Renegade @ the Dinger Farm
 

Breechplug

Just remember we are still testing ourselves... and now you will actually be a tester also...

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Im on it, my ACCURA's are ready, just finished putting the scopes on them and cleaning and treating the barrels with MX, I cant wait, but it's still snowing hard! hope it stops!