Genesis & Hornady FPB's
 

I had given the Genesisa Bore Treatment yesterday and also pulled the scope and put it back on to see if it would return to zero. Then I remembered this was not Weaver QR mounts.These were plain old Traditions rings. But they looked like the Weaver QR rings in almost every detail. So I was real concerned I might have messed things up. But was glad to see the Genesis shot just about the same spot with the Thompson Center 1x32mm scope.

I started out with 100 grains of Pyrodex RS and the .44 caliber Hornady XTP in the green Crushed Rib sabots. On a clean barrel it threw the first one as I really did not think I flinched. Then I swabbed and shot, then shot without swabbing. The two times I did not swab are real apparent. Although it grouped very well with the swabbed barrel. For 50 yards and a 1 power scope, I was kind of happy.

Then I actually had to take the rifle into the house. The windex I was using in a pump spray bottle froze and would not work anymore. So I went in the house and swabbed the barrel clean so I could test some of the 350 grain Hornady FPB's. With a clean barrel I headed back out. Again, I was shooting 100 grains of Pyrodex RS and that 350 grain conical.

The first shot kind of surprised me when it hit as high as it did. So I did not swab but loaded again. Loading was not all that hard except for the last inch, you had to push a little hard to make sure it was seating on the powder charge. I then fired four more without swabbing. The last one, #5 was kind of hard to seat. So instead of going back in the house and cleaning the barrel, I called it quits for the day. After all, I had a couple rifles to clean and had my fun... :D

These FPB's I notice need to be centered over the muzzle real well and then a sharp rap on the short starter puts them right into the bore with little effort. After that they go down pretty easy. I want to do a lot more testing with these.

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Interesting. Discounting the first "clean" FPB, looks like 2" at 50. Not so bad considering the elements and no swabbing. I'm sure you'll find the sweet-spot with the load in no time.

I figured you couldn't resist those FPBs for too long.

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That is some good shooting.

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Good report. If you went out in 12 degree weather I guess I have no excuse.

Should be around 20 degrees tomorrow. Want to shoot that new .45 Accura.

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Actually it was -19º below last night. When I went out it had just turned 8º but was warming up. Those FPB's I think show some promise. Are you supposed to swab between shots with them or not?

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Good report as ususal Dave. I would always swab.I am of the opinion that "You're going to hunt with a clean barrel so you should shoot / sight in with one." I know you really like tinkering but why would you want to go with the FPBs when the XTPs shoot so good?
Shooting in 12*- yikes. I'm gonna wait until it gets above freezing anyway.

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Dave, two of my inlines do not have QLA so while I was playing I worked out a system to make loading the FPB a bit easier.
I measure the bore size of the gun I will be using and add 5 thou. take a drill that size and bore a hole in a brass block, I bevel the top of the hole and shove the FPB's I will shoot through that hole. It squeeze's the FPB just enough so that they are able to start on the taper of the crown of the barrel but are still as tight to hold on to the barrel as that would be any how. Lee

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The Genesis has a strange false muzzle. While the FPB goes into the bore's false muzzle, it rests on a lip of sorts inside the bore. So I would center the conical upright and then give it a good slap and knock it in the bore.

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What's with the craze over these FPB's? Is it just because they're new?

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They remind me of a Shockwave Conical... I have a lot of rifles to try them in.

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I am glad to see the Genesis perform. I also bought one from Cabelas, but have yet to fire her.

From your groupings, it seems that a Remington Gensis should be as Capable of putting a deer in the freezer as more expensive inlines.

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Sniggles.. I have little doubt that the Remington Genesis is a hunting rifle. I just ordered more high rings (make sure if you scope it you get high rings.. the medium WILL NOT WORK as I found out.) and another scope for it. Its only a 2-7 but should work just fine in the Genesis.

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When I use 777 or pyrodex, I swab between each shot just like any other bullet (spit patch both sides followed by dry patch both sides). The only time I use the FPB's without swabbing is with BH 209. I have shot as many as 30 shots without swabbing with the BH, and they don't seem to get harder to load and accuracy is good thorughout.

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That reminds me, I sent an email to Traditions about that ring on the Genesis. I told them that they should bevel it to make loading easier. I never heard anything back.

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SWThomas
There are states some of us live in or travel to where you have to use a bore size bullet so some interest is due to that. There is also the interest due to the fact that it is new or the results some of us had so far. They are the easiest conical to get minute of angle with for me and with QLA they are very fast loading, I have only taken 2 hogs with them so far but I class the results as excellent. The groups I have shot so far average between 1.25 and 1.5 and that includes my experiments and screw ups and I thought that s good for me. Lee

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No, they are good bullets. Shot two bigsows with them and they both bang flopped despite the fact that one of them was not hit right.Heck, this may be even be the magic bullet that turns a gut shot into a bang flop with great regularity. :D;)

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After hearing so many people talk about losing deer with 250 grain bullets and others complaining about plastic buildup from sabots, I wanted to use a heavier bullet and I prefer a non-saboted bullet. I haven't been impressed with the accuracy or penetration of the Powerbelts so I figured I'd give the Hornady 350's a try. Getting them for five bucks a pack (15 bullets per pack) didn't hurt either. So far with what little testing I've done is they shoot great from my CVA Wolf and T/C Triumph. Hopefully next muzzleloader season will tell the tale for me on game.

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Cayugad,

What medium size mounts did you try? I have see through mounts, and did not like how high they are and have ordered medium CVA Z2 mount/rings.

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I don't use see through mounts first off. But the other day I took a set of Weaver medium rings and mounted a Simmons Pro Diamond 4x on the Genesis. It fit perfect, until I discovered I could not open the cam to put a primer in the back end of it.

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I bought some FPB's the other day from Cabelas and am going to try them on some warm day in the Genesis, but they seem to be hard to start...glad for the tip on that...but I wonder without swabbing between shots how easy they would go down after a second shot when out in the field?

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Probably because the Genesis has been discontinued and won't be made anymore.

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I think you might get two or three down the bore without swabbing but I did not try it. A lot would depend on the powder you shoot.

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So are you shooting .44 caliber bullets in a .50 caliber rifle? How are you doing that? I'm a noob and have just always shot .50 caliber bullets in my muzzle loaders and figured that's what you had to do.

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That's what sabots are for.. .429/.430 to .50 sabots are made by MMP and Harvester and possibly others.

One thing that bugs me on the Genesis is the sharp step at the internal crown. If you can figure out a way to evenly bevel that crown into more of an angled cone, loading will be much easier.

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I asked that exact same question (almost verbatim) when I first started with ML's. You'll be amazed at how much you'll learn from some of these guys. :)

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SWThomas, they aren't going to make the Genesis anymore?

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The Genesis from my understanding is no longer going to be produced. It a shame as it really so far in my limited experience has been a good rifle.

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Sometimes I think that is a good reason to buy a product made by TC or CVA since that is their major niche. Remington must not have seen enough business from this line...which also seems odd, but I don't sit at the CEO desk for Remington so I don't make those top notch decisions. It is too bad, I sure like mine.