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How To Avoid A Bang Flop
Lesson one: Shoot it in the wrong place.
Gun: CVA StagHorn Scope: Weaver Grand Slam 3-10X40 Load: 240 grain .430 XTP 110 grains of Pinnacle RS Winc. 209shotgun primer Saw this ratty buck last evening on the way to my tree stand. Had seen him before and decided to take him out of the gene pool if i had a chance. The deer was standing broadsidewhen sighted. Was unable to shoot from a sitting position because of the 3' tall gras. Stood up and he was looking at me. Popped off a shot and the deer threw up his tail and ran off. Range wasabout 90 yards. Walked towhere the buck was standing and there was no hair or blood. Walked 75 yards into the woods and the buck took off. Found a lot of blood where he was standing and the tracking was on: Good blood trail. He jumped up out of the grass about 400 yards from where he was initially shot: i shot at him and broke a hind leg. Found him lying dead about 50 yards away from where he jumped up. The bullet entered the shoulder of the deer and ranged down his side inside the body cavity. It exited the inside of the ham on the same side in two pieces. Would have normally waited an hour or so and then tracked the deer. That deer was shot at 6:20 pm. Have to be off that militaryproperty by 90 minutes after sunset-8:15 pm, so i could not wait.  |
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That's a nice little buck.. that bullet really made some distance as it travelled through..Glad you were able to find it.
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Good work on retrieving that deer Falcon. A lot of guys would not have even walked that 75 yards into the woods after finding no blood or hair at the point of the shot. A wounded deer that's still running from you can sure pucker your butt.
You call him a "ratty buck", but he looks to me like a good quality year-and-a-half old buck that broke what was a pretty good rack. Must have been a real scrqpper. Did you get a chance to confirm his age? |
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That's the risk when you take a shot at a deer facing you. A fatal hit but some tracking involved. Good job tracking and finishing it off.
I've shot deer facing towards and facing away, when I had close shots andknew the bullet would penetrate to get the job done. Looks like a good eating deer. I wonder if his rattiness has more to do with an accident than genetics? |
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Did you get a chance to confirm his age? i did not.He weighed in at 104 pounds field dressed and is really fat,due to the big acorn crop. |
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Congrats on recovering that deer. But I was looking at the rack and it almost looks as though it was cut off earlier, like maybe when he was in velvet.
Maybe he got caught in a fence and some good samaritian cut him free. Those antler ends just look too blunt to have occured naturally. They are usually tapered or bulbus shaped if injured. Just a hunch. What do you guys think? |
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I think he broke them off in a fight after the velvet was off. You're right, if he broke them in velvet there would likely be some bulbous growth.
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nah - even in a fight the break wouldn't be that straight and clean. And both main beams look to be cut at the same length. Look real close.
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In 2004 my son killed a small buck in Garvin county, OK. That deer was a fork horn and was 8.5 years old according to the game warden who pulled a jaw out.That deer weighed 100 pounds exactly. Two forks onmy sonsdeer looked just like this one does.Looks like they just naturally grew this way.
Last year i found a skull while hunting in the same area this deer was killed in: Nearly all the tines on that rack looked like this one does. i thought it wasbad genes or something. |
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Last year i found a skull while hunting in the same area this deer was killed in: Nearly all the tines on that rack looked like this one does. i thought it wasbad genes or something. |
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ORIGINAL: falcon Lesson one: Shoot it in the wrong place. Gun: CVA StagHorn Scope: Weaver Grand Slam 3-10X40 Load: 240 grain .430 XTP 110 grains of Pinnacle RS Winc. 209shotgun primer Saw this ratty buck last evening on the way to my tree stand. Had seen him before and decided to take him out of the gene pool if i had a chance. The deer was standing broadsidewhen sighted. Was unable to shoot from a sitting position because of the 3' tall gras. Stood up and he was looking at me. Popped off a shot and the deer threw up his tail and ran off. Range wasabout 90 yards. Walked towhere the buck was standing and there was no hair or blood. Walked 75 yards into the woods and the buck took off. Found a lot of blood where he was standing and the tracking was on: Good blood trail. He jumped up out of the grass about 400 yards from where he was initially shot: i shot at him and broke a hind leg. Found him lying dead about 50 yards away from where he jumped up. The bullet entered the shoulder of the deer and ranged down his side inside the body cavity. It exited the inside of the ham on the same side in two pieces. Would have normally waited an hour or so and then tracked the deer. That deer was shot at 6:20 pm. Have to be off that militaryproperty by 90 minutes after sunset-8:15 pm, so i could not wait. Chap |
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I thought you were the SW guy, why the switch to XTP? Good tracking job, 400 yards wow.  |
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Hey guys, I sent the picture to the LSU deer study guy. Here's what he said.
The only thing I've seen similar to that resulted from bucks in velvet having their antlers essentially sliced in a fence. In essence, the bucks were running into a high fence after (we think) being chased by stray dogs. I think the bucks were lunging into the fence and portions of their tines or main beams were going through the mesh and being cut deeply, which resulted in the antler "dying" from that point outward. That could explain the blunt ends, which we saw in the cases I observed. We also noticed that the direction of the angle on the blunt end seemed to all be similar on each deer, but different among deer, suggesting that whatever trauma affected the antler did so at a similar angle, if that makes sense. Hope this helps. I doubt seriously that the deer in the picture you sent suffered any genetic issue that caused such an antler growth pattern. Almost assuredly it was trauma during velvet. |
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weren't you shooting after hours?
rack doesn't look like genetic problem. |
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ORIGINAL: falcon in the Encore guy. Have always used 240 grain XTP bullets in that CVA StagHorn. :DStill hunted for several hours and took that CVA gun because it is light and easy to get on target. TC FL 300g Gold Dot, 80g Goex, Crushed Rib sabot Knight Disc 300g Barnes MZ with 100g of Blackhorn, 300g Nosler Partition HG with 100g 777 black Crushed rib Omega 300g Barnes MZ supplied sabot with 100g of Blackhorn Savage 300g Barnes Origonal 67g of 4198 Crushed Rib sabot, Barnes FlatNose 45/70 bullet Barnes Part No 45843, Crushed rib sabot,44g of 5744. All shoot well with those loads. I have several boxes of XTPs and XTP/Mag 300g since the Savage was designed to shoot this bullet well. What matters most is you got the deer, but I know after 100 or 200 yards or so how ya feel knowing that ya gotta be back to the based 1 hour after sun set and they post the times in the building. I quit hunting there because of that, archery in the evening. Chap |
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Thanks, Semisane.That is most likelywhat happened. That area is close to the wildlife refuge fence.
weren't you shooting after hours? I quit hunting there because of that, archery in the evening. |
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After that LSU response I rest my case. Semi - don't you ever doubt my inteli.....intelliga.....inteligens..........knowl edge again.
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ORIGINAL: bronko22000 After that LSU response I rest my case. Semi - don't you ever doubt my inteli.....intelliga.....inteligens..........knowl edge again.  Chap |
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Come on guys. Semisane beats halfnutz any day. :D
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YOU MEAN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE????????????????
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YOU MEAN YOU ONLY HAVE ONE???????????????? |
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Congrats on your buck. Very small neck for even a young buck toting antlers.
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ORIGINAL: falcon It is hard for an archery hunter to retrieve his deer within the allotted time. We have a lot of coyotes here and unless the deer or hog is retrieved they will almost surely get it. |
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