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i barely know anything about muzzleloaders and i have a cva in-line buckhorn .50cal. i got the supplies for it except i bought the wrong size sabo for the .50cal hallow pointed bullets i bought. i heard of traditional ways of using cloth so i try that but the bullet would not go in the barrel with the cloth under it. so i think with the cloth that is thinner than a sabo, how would i be able to put in a larger sabo. another thing, when i just put the bullet in by itself, i notice it doesn't go all the way on the bottom of barrel, it stop at about 2, 21/2 inches above the bottom of barrel. any suggestions?

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WOW!! suggestions... read your manual carefully and understand what is in it. Then go out somewhere and purchase the correct sabot for the bullet you want to shoot.

What you might want to do in the mean time is purchase some bullet/sabot combination packs. You can also shoot maxiball, and other conicals like powerbelts out of the rifle without a sabot.

Cloth patches are for roundball, not for sabots. You need the correct sabot to shoot the projectiles you purchased. Also do not just drop them down the barrel as they are too small. Why it only went a few inches down the barrel I have no idea.

Go to a wal mart or some other sporting goods and get some .50 caliber 250 grain Shockwaves if you want to shoot sabots. Load 90 grains of loose powder, and then a sabot bullet combination at the same time. Do you have a short starter as well, to get sabots into the barrel far enough?

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And absolutely get with someone with muzzleloader experience to coach you along. Asking here is great but we can't directly keep you fromharming yourself.

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yes i have a bullet starter but it didn't go only a few inches down the barrel, when i pushed the bullet in towards the bottom i couldn't push it down anyfurther and it was about 2 inches away from the bottom as if the bullet was a little big

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This is just a guess based on that little bit of information. ButI'm guessing the gun is not new, that it's been shot before and not cleaned as well as it should have been, and there's a rough/rusted/dirty spot down near the breech that's stopping the bullet from seating completely. We need a little more info as to which specific bullet and sabot you bought.

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Worse yet,,,if it was used,,,there might be a hot one already in there!

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you gotta get someone who knows what there doing with your gun. especially if its a second hand gun. like batchief said it could have a double load in it, if i was you, when i got my muzzleloader it was second hand i striped the entire gun down and scrubed the hell out of it before i even thought about loading it myself.

good luck and be careful.

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newbyhunter,

you can remove the breech and push the ram rod thou maybe you will push out what is in the barrel. and clean the rifle.


you be surprised how many people give up a mlers with a load in it. just in my area I know of 2 in shops right now.

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I'm glad you are asking these questions instead of blindly proceeding. Heck, I got nervous just reading your post.

As others stated, first thing to do is confirm the gun is not loaded. Then thoroughly clean it. You do need to resolve the issue at the breech area. Could simply be accumulated fouling and perhaps some rust, but some time and effort will probably cure it. When the gun is clean, put it aside and read the owner's manual. You can probably download one from CVA these days.

Then proceed to the range with proper components. I don't recommend that you improvise patches for sabots, or anything else for that matter, until you have a lot more muzzleloading experience under your belt. I really like Hornady FPB bullets. They are a bore diameter conical so no sabot is needed. They load pretty easily once started, and they are very accurate in my gun.

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DO NOT attempt to shoot it until you have done everything posted above!! I'm still leaning on the "already loaded" aspect.[:-]

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If I read your post correctly; you bought .50cal hollow point bullets. Did you actually buy .50cal pistol bullets? Usually the bullets that work with sabots in a .50cal muzzleloader are around .45cal depending on what sabot is used.I would suggest after you get all of the above done ESPECIALLY DETERMINING THAT THE RIFLE IS NOT ALREADY LOADED; then go purchase some already set up bullet sabot combinations from a ML supply store or Walmart but do not try to make your own combinations until you know a little more. If it is a CVA as stated it will also accept and shoot Powerbelt bullets quite well. I also suspect the rifle is either loaded which is a definate problem until you correct it or it has a lot of fouling in the breech area which if Tripple Seven was shot is very likely as it tends to form a crud ring just forward of the load area.

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the bullets brand name is speer and they are hallo point .50cal
the sabos are knights but they are the wrong size, they are .50cal sabos that are ment to fit over a .44cal. and the gun has not been used, it's brand new, i never shot yet.

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Speer ... look on the side of the bulk carton the bullets came in. If it says .451 or .452 diameter and they are a .45 caliber then get some Harvester (black in color) .45 caliber crushed rib sabots. Those will fit the Speer and you can shoot them out of the .50 caliber rifle.

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If you have the Speer 50 caliber bullets (i.e. SPEER BULLETS500 S&W .500 DIA. 350GR JACKET SOFT POINT 50 PER BOX) they can not be used in a 50 caliber muzzle loader with sabots. As Cayugad said, you need the .451 or .425 diameter bullets.

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He will have to get some sabots to fit44 cal if the Speer hollow points are .44 diameter or .40 diameter, as you know he can getsabots from MMP OR I believe it is best to buy packagebullets and sabots for a 50 cal muzzleloader, since he is so new at this ML stuff. Buying the package boxes of sabots and bullets is the best thing to do and it is best to buy them at a Sporting goods store that sells MLer rather than Walmart who have folks that are clueless about MLers.

Newbyhunter, can you take a picture of the bullet box where it says the size of the bullets and post it?
With the proper info we can help you correctly, I am feeling because your so new to this stuff that what we are saying is too much info and it is confusing to you, especially on bullet diameter and sabot sizing.
Chap

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That is how I got my CVA Kodiak. Was at the range with my Hawken and the guy next to me asked if I could help him. He couldn't get his gun loaded. A quick look noted that he was trying to load a 50AE round into the back of the Kodiak. I told the guy what the issue was and offered to show him the right things needed to shot it. He got all PO'ed, handed me the rifle, said Merry Christmas (middle of July) and stormed out of the range.

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This thread actually has me skeerd.

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You too?