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yeah shot my triumph weathershield about 3 weeks ago and didn't clean the barrel after i was done to see if it lived up to it's claims. well i just got it out and it all rusty in the barrel. not happy at all.

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That's disappointing. First report of rust with BH that I've seen. Maybe no one else has reported it because it's not "supposed" to do that and they figured their case was an anomaly.

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I get what looks like rust on my CVA’s with the nickel finish after about one week if left uncleaned. Seems to come off but the nickel is stained. I am not sure it is rust. My Omega and my other stainless barrels are fine left uncleaned. I think we are still learning with BH209

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Any barrel will rust under the right conditions no matter what powder is used.Have seen the bores of high power rifle barrels rust in a few days in high humidity.

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I don't think the Blackhorn folks said anything about letting the gun sight to see if it rusts. I don't do that to my centerfire. I'm not try to be a pain, just trying to be fair.

Actually,hereis what Blackhorn says and pay attention to #2 and #8:

1) Superior Ballistics and Unbeatable Accuracy
2) Noncorrosive and Low Residue
Blackhorn 209 is the first and only noncorrosive muzzle- loading propellant. It is specifically designed to be free of solid and sticky residues that lead tocorrosion with other propellants. This revolutionary feature also assures that Blackhorn 209 will not leave a crud ring that can damage sabots andaffect accuracy.
3) No Swabbing Between Shots
4) Easy Breech Plug Removal
5) No Special Primers Required
6) Not Affected by Temperature or Humidity
7) Uniform Size - "Good to the last shot"
8) Immediate Cleaning Not Necessary
Blackhorn 209 is noncorrosive and virtually free of solid residue. Only a thin film of soot remains in the barrel, which will not harm your muzzleloader.There is no need to clean your barrel immediately after use. However, as with all firearms, we recommend using at least one wet patch of solvent after
shooting to protect your barrel from moisture.
9) Cleans with Regular Solvents
10) Extended Shelf Life

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I don't want to be fair formual1.:D I keep trying to find reasons to not pay the price for BlackHorn. :D:D

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You've got some big ones if you leave your gun uncleaned after usuage especially a Triumph.I would never even attempt such a feat.You have proved that an unclean barrell will rust even if a powder company says it would not. I suspect that the moisture as mentioned previously did you in at the tune of 300 plus dollars. Is the rust thick or can you clean it out with a wire brush?

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You didn't clean your gun for 3 weeks because of the powder you used?

What about the fact that you left it unprotected for 3 weeks? The powder may not have caused the rust but no powder will PREVENT rust.

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IMO, no matter what you use to treat your barrel, gun oil, bore butter or whatever, - I think after firing, especially a couple of times, you are going to burn off that protective coating.
Now, mix a bare unprotected barrel withresidue and humidity and you are just asking for trouble.
And by the way, ain't no way I will pay the price for BH powder. I do perfectly fine with Pyrodex and Goex.

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you sure is was the powder and not the barrel itself? This isnt the first post ive seen where the weathershield barrel was rusting no matter how it was cleaned.

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First off remember, we take the oil out of the barrel before we shoot. We also pop 209 primers through the rifle. Then we shoot Black Horn 209 powder. Actually it does not surprise me at all that your rifle rusted. Three weeks without any cleaning or oil to protect the bore, IMO the rifle should have rusted.

While I like Black Horn 209 powder, I would never leave a rifle uncleaned. Even my center fire rifles get cleaned and oiled. When you shoot a rifle, you fowl a rifle. When a rifle is fowled it will rust. No matter what powder you shoot. Some just take longer then others. Its a shame you had to discover this the hard way, but it is a wake up call to all people shooting their rifles, no matter what powder. If you shoot it, you should clean it..

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well i've been scrubbing the heck out of the barrel. it seems to be clean but yet a little discolored. the patches are still coming out gray and not brown or orange.I can't believe i made such a rookie mistake. i am so anal about my guns and try to keep everything in mint condiction.
so much for believing what i read about a product. Toby Bridges said that he never cleaned his gun all season. i took that as good words. i hope that there's no damange to the barrel. i don't see any pitting just a mild discoloration.

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probably somebody else cleans Toby's gun for him

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After this post I went and checked my Triumph. I was out last Saturday, a hot, dry & windy day. Took three shots that day and third one was a hang fire. Put a foaming bore cleaner in there for an hour and then pulled a patch through. Quite orange. I will try cleaning my rifle with just Hoppes next time. Wondering if that foaming cleaner reacted with something to cause the orange. Pulled the Hoppes patch through and the patch looked more black. A lot tougher to clean after sitting a few days vs cleaningthe rifle immediately after use.

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I always keep some presoaked patches with Butch's Bore Shine in my shooting box and run a couple through the bore before I even leave the range. Then when I get home, if something comes up that I can't clean it immediately (like my Mom's birthday today) I don't have to worry too much. The Bore is pretty clean already and has a protective coating on it. And it can wait a few hours before it gets a hot soapy water bath.

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Got links to those posts?


Steve

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dont start that BS steve.

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If the company that makes this high dollared substitute claims that thier powder will not rust a barrel, they are flat out liars!!! All black powders and substitutes are hydorscopic and will draw moisture, which willcorrode metal.

I can't believe anyone would leave their BP gun dirty and uncleaned for three weeks. Unless they are filthy rich. :eek:

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What BS????????????????

You make a post stating you know of a problem - provide the evidence it's real !!!

Otherwise it is an internet rumor and an attempt at bashing totally without proof.
That would be BS - avoid for by providing the links - if they exist, you post was justified. .

Steve

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hey steve why dont u post some useful info rather than always trying to start crap with someone?

And if i were to bash a product here, its would be that expensive non corrosive powder thats not supposed to rust or corrode.

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rafsob

You might better check more into BH... it is a black powder sub but it not the hydroscopic... it is really a progessive burning smokeless powder that you might use in a regular rifle. It was engineered to match the power and volume characteristics of Swiss/T7. If you request a government MSDS sheet it should be apparent or just open a jug of the odor will tell you right away. It is not NC but sure has a bunch of Ether in it.

But then again for this topic what does it matter?... any barrel bore that is unprotected from moisture or climate is suseptible to rust... even your centerfire barrels.

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Hey fg - starting and pointing out crap are 2 different things.
And pointing out crap and possible wrong info is usefull.

Saying you know of a problem but refusing to give the details is crap - and bs.

This is not about a powder - it is about you posting you know of a problem with a TC product.
If true, do something usefull and provide the proof.

Steve

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Non-corrosive powder does not keep a barrel from rusting it takes oil to do that. Smokeless powder people ruin guns all the time by leveing them rust up. Lee

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well if there were previous post that were regarding bh209 rusting barrels i sure missed them. i would have liked to have learned the easy way instead of the hard way.
FG where's the info that could have saved mea hell of alot of trouble???

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I don't think it was the blackhorn that caused therust. I think it was the lack of oil in the barrel. If you had left a centerfire rifle in the same condition with out any oil in the barrel I think it would rust to under the right conditions (Humidity). I would never leave any of my guns without anything in the barrel to protect it no matter what kind of powder I was using.And yes, I do shootBH209 and love the stuff.

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I am having a problem with the idea that this is in fact a smokeless powder that mimicks BP. If that is the case I would have a problemcalling it a BP sub. I guess I will have to look into this high priced powder. But I can tell ya that I still would not think of buying this high dollared stuff.

Can everyone say real black powder??? It is stil the best!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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rafsob

T7, BM3, and several other subs are smokeless also but they are not progressive. They are a sugar based powder - ascorbic acid powder with smoke added. These are subs because they burn like BP and are close to equal in volume and pressure... So hence they can be subbed...

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I didn't know that!!! Thanks for the info. Now I can update in my limited knowledge base. ;)

I still love my Goex FF/FFF powder.