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This BH209 suff.......
It'll take a helluva BP substitute to break me off of Goex FFg, but I've a fairly open mind....grins.
Heard a buddy tell it's "extruded", almost like a smokeless powder, with little cylindrical shaped granules...can I assume the granules are all the same size? Wanna know how it weighs vs. volume measure, as I've NEVER been a huge fan of volume measuring BP, and I'm not fishing for the "conversion" factor either...... FFg has a very consistant weigh:volume ratio making seating pressure/compression very doable per repeatability/consistancy....other subs I've tried do not have this critical attribute and I've often found a varience inload compression with some of them. I hear clean up is a snap with BH209, and can like that, if easier than what I do with BP...which is pretty easy considering a lot of folks think BP is somehow "hard". Basic question, is this stuff a smoke producingtype BP sub with all the characteristics of BP...or is it an extruded low pressure "smokeless" type stuff with maybe a little bit of smoke, or non at all? Maybe a dumb question but I've got my reasons............ |
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ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony It'll take a helluva BP substitute to break me off of Goex FFg, but I've a fairly open mind....grins. Heard a buddy tell it's "extruded", almost like a smokeless powder, with little cylindrical shaped granules...can I assume the granules are all the same size? In a word, YES Wanna know how it weighs vs. volume measure, as I've NEVER been a huge fan of volume measuring BP, and I'm not fishing for the "conversion" factor either...... According to the people who make it 70 gr wt is equal to 100gr of FF black in volume FFg has a very consistant weigh:volume ratio making seating pressure/compression very doable per repeatability/consistancy....other subs I've tried do not have this critical attribute and I've often found a varience inload compression with some of them. You just stated the reasons BH is better than the other subs I hear clean up is a snap with BH209, and can like that, if easier than what I do with BP...which is pretty easy considering a lot of folks think BP is somehow "hard". The only one I consider as hard is 777, it might beconsidered "easy" because it is noncorrosive and you can use hoppes # 9 and do it in a half doz patches; what the real differance is is that it shoots best if not wiped between shot not even a lot of shots. Basic question, is this stuff a smoke producingtype BP sub with all the characteristics of BP...or is it an extruded low pressure "smokeless" type stuff with maybe a little bit of smoke, or non at all? Yes it smokes, the smoke is a bit lighter in the sense that it blows away in a breeze faster. Maybe a dumb question but I've got my reasons............ |
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BH209 is the real deal. It is a good powder in MY rifles. The grains are all the same size, and you use a volume measure like any other powder. Easy to clean... yes, but it does make a mess with the breech plug grease.
If you have good luck with Black Powder, stick with it. I shoot black powder 90% of the time in my rifles... I don't mind the mess. |
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I havent shot any yet RL.
I hope to tomorrow,raining here today. I'll let you know what I think |
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Im picky also and I made the switch... I really like how easy the stuff cleans up. T7 had a tendency to stick really hard to the barrel/breech. The BH normally comes off with just a wipe of a moist patch. As for smoking I would say its about 30-40% lighter than normal BP. As said above, it blows away really quick so you can see what you just shot at.
Its good stuff;) If I wasnt so picky, I'd still use T7, but I take every inch I can get |
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Mine came in today
The jar has been opened as the seal is gone and the bottle is less than 1/2 full Looks like someone took about 1/2 of it |
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You're kidding right.......?
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How's this stuff ignite with a #11 cap, in an inline...such as a 77/50?
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It doesn't, you have to use a hot 209 primer, CCI Mag or federal is suggested. Hence the name (BH 209)
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Well, actually #11 caps do ignite BH209 but not instantaneously. They create a hang fire similar to a really poorly tuned flintlock. My tests were with an MK-85 with a #11 TC Flamethrower using RWS #1075 plus #11 caps on an 80 degree F day. I do not recommend using BH209 outside the recommendations on the bottle, but I just had to try it for myself.
I have a Ruger 77/50 but I have not tested BH209 in it. On the back of the BH209 bottle they show a "not approved" 209 breech plug that is very similar to the breech plug design used in the Ruger 77/50 209 conversion kit from Cabela's. I may tinker with it in the future but for now I am very satisfied using T7 in my Ruger 77/50 with #11 caps. |
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Saxman, that's the way they all are. Half full (or less). Maybe someday we can get free refills. Has anyone weighed the contents of those deceptively large bottles?
This may be the greatest scam ever pulled on us. ;) |
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I weighed one of mine on a postal scale. A empty one, then a full one. Or I should say half full. It was ten ounces. I sure like the stuff. Shooting 100 grains with the 200 gr sw. I have just shot two groups at 200 yds. The first one was 1 1/8 inch. Today it was 1 3/4. There was some wind that spread it a little horizontal. 6 1/2 inches low at 200. Should be a good deer load out to 200.
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I won't be fooling with it as I value quick ignition, and since the conversion kit isn't"approved"....mebbe some one will tell me BH is full of it and the kit will work fine.
Is this stuff sold as a pound? A pound is a pound, 16 ounces, not 10....mebbe saxman did get ripped off. Or is it sold as a pound eqivalent? Ya know, a "pounds worth" by volume. That would allow it to weigh less that 7000 grains, but still yeild 7000 grains worth of boom....... The size of the powder bottles is on purpose, and it's got to do with HAZMAT and rapidly combustable materials. The same volume of powder is far more dangerous in a more confined space, and some Einstein somewhere decided how much extra room in the bottles is "safer". The same reason it comes in mostly plastic bottles. The burn rate of the plastic is slower than the old cardboard canisters when exposed to an outside ignition source, and the plastic offers a slow"burn" over an "explosion" when compared to metal cans...... Thank OSHA for most of it.....you are safer now. |
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Ah aint buyin the OSHA thing - it's just trickery. :D And it's sold as 10 oz., just 10 oz.
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Well 10 oz is 10 ounces then so a jug isn't gonna look like much...in retrospect that 10 oz. of real weight is likely equivalent to a pound worth of burn.
Dothe Fire Service HAZMAT training that I haveand much things OSHA can be realized.....despite most it being total BS in real world application. New regs just out....those flipping breakers in our plant, ie: the maintenance crew...must wear specified clothes, leather gloves, a hard hat,and a face shield. Technically, because we turn the lights off and on by flipping breakers, they must suit up or we risk OSHA fines.Rediculous "idiot proofing"in my opinion........... |
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I am not a big supporter of OSHA; however, I did on one occasion hit a 440V circuit breaker to restart a dynamometer and due to a crack in the switch I got a significant jolt which almost took me out. Maybe the leather gloves is not such a bad idea. After that time I reset the switch with a long wooden stick.
ORIGINAL: Rifle Loony Well 10 oz is 10 ounces then so a jug isn't gonna look like much...in retrospect that 10 oz. of real weight is likely equivalent to a pound worth of burn. Dothe Fire Service HAZMAT training that I haveand much things OSHA can be realized.....despite most it being total BS in real world application. New regs just out....those flipping breakers in our plant, ie: the maintenance crew...must wear specified clothes, leather gloves, a hard hat,and a face shield. Technically, because we turn the lights off and on by flipping breakers, they must suit up or we risk OSHA fines.Rediculous "idiot proofing"in my opinion........... |
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I can agree, as I too got hit with 480 three phase wilst plugging in a welding machine back in the 80's, regardingthe suck factor of electric shock.
But many of these OSHA regs are just too far out for them to do any good, it adds a tremendous cost to manufacturing just to allow a gubment agency to tell us what our daddy's should have taught us as kids... Those oversized powder jugs ain't free and the powder companies aren't absorbing the cost....WE pay for them. And folks wonder why American Goods are too high priced, not completely OSHA's fault, but afair part of it......... |
You need a 209 conversion for the Ruger 77-50 or you'll get hangfires if it ignites at all, I found a 209 conversion kit that seems to work here - http://www.muzzleloadingbullets.com/...onversion.html. There's also a lot of info on improving accuracy.
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Originally Posted by saxman1
(Post 2937133)
Mine came in today
The jar has been opened as the seal is gone and the bottle is less than 1/2 full Looks like someone took about 1/2 of it Mike |
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