Need Blackhorn 209 Information
 

Just gettting back into muzzleloading again and have always used pyrodex and mostly T777 and always liked the T777 but how good is the Blackhorn 209 that I am hearing about.Is the accuracy as good as they say and especially how good is it for not being corrosive to the barrel.They also claim it loads easier with follow up shots and wonder if this is true as normally I use the Barnes Expander bullets which I think load pretty hard but they are so accurate and have such great expansion so that is why I want to stick with them.Any feedback will be appreciated. Mike

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Mike, it isso far shown to beeverything claimed - but may be hard to ignite depending upon what rifle or breech plug you have.

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VASLUggeR, increase your font size and change color please. these old eyes arekilling me trying to read your post. What kinda a gun you shootin?

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i love the stuff.. With the 250gr SW I saw a 1 1/8th inch group at 100 yards. With my T7 the best I ever got was 2.5inches at 100 yards. Not a huge difference, but every bit helps

if you can find it, give it a try. Just make sure it works with your breech plug and it likes certain primers over others

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Vaslugger
I have not shot it but there is a possible problem (not confirmed) that there are some cracked breech plugs on CVA rifles.
Maybe everyone who is shooting it should check their BP's regardless of the make.
It has probably been suggested before but it bears reoeating.
I don't want anyone to get hurt and I know allot of you guys shoot your guns allot.
Lets be safe out there

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Depending on the rifle you shoot, Black Horn 209 might be a very good selection. As they claim, you do not have to swab between shots. While it might not be corrosive as say Pyrodex, as with any powder, you do eventually have to clean your rifle. I would not put any maintenance of the rifle off for too long only because we then tend to forget. Clean up is with a solvent as water will not do it this time. The powder has excellent power, is very consistent with accuracy, but does need a good hot primer to ignite. It will be interesting to see how it performs under wet and cold hunting conditions when if a powder is going to fail, that is when it will show up.

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Hey Cayugad,
Noticed a few people wondering how Blackhorn 209 would perform in cold wet conditions. Just wondering what you consider cold temperatures. Obviously it get cold up here sooner than in Wisconsin (been within 4 dgrees of freezing already up here). Let me know a temperature and when things are foul enough, I'll take a few shots with Blackhorn and let you know how I made out.

Ben

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benamen

That is one of the test i want to conduct also... i am in northern Idaho and we regularly hunt in weather well below freezing anywhere from 15 to -10 during the late season hunts so I to am curious about the effects of temp on BH.

I "THINK" it will probably work just fine as all other smokeless powders do in the cold - but what i am curious about is which primer will you have to use.

I was experimenting the other day with it and it really shot well with in my Omega with a 25ACP conversion using small rifle magnum primers... but will it do the same in those freezing temps and being out all day in that those temps. The metal of the BP and barrel absorb a lot of heat before it even gets to the powder.

For me it is not an issue this year anyway - as i will continue to hunt with a proven load of T7... but I do feel a lot of winter testing coming on.

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I just ordered some BH 209 so I can get on board.

I read somewhere that there is a 45cal casing and primer breech plug conversion that supposedly sets of the BH209 no matter what.

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saxman1

Yep! heard the same thing but who makes the conversion and what guns will it fit???

I think they are using that in the Ultimate...

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We had frost the other night in low areas. I only had 33ºs. I had to cover the gardens and still the leafs that touched the tarps died. BUT the main plant made it for a little while longer. So we still have tomatoes.. :D

I am wondering inNovember, when it can get -20º or it can get 65 above. You just never know how this powder will react. One second you're shivering and the next sweating. It can be raining and then suddenly turn to snow. So this powder if it is hard to light might be very interesting. I am going to use a real hot primer with it, and am saving five loads for the hunting season from my last jug.

The part of Northern Wisconsin where I liveis a cold and very snow dense area. Not as bad as parts of northern Michigan mind you where they get up to 200+ inches of snow a year. Our worst year I think we had 153 inches of snow (give or take a foot). Granted that's almost thirteen feet of snow, but it is not all on the ground at one time. We are effected by Lake Superior a lot in the winter. When the snow comes off the lake, you better be ready to shovel. I'm warm compared to Alaska, Canada, and parts out west in the mountains I was told.

I've muzzleloader hunted one morning, when it was -32º F and did not like it. I did not stay out too long either. And stood in a tree stand one afternoon when it was around -20ºF until my toes went numb. But once I am aclamated to the cold, it really does not bother me. I've been know to sit on my range in well below freezing and shoot most of the afternoon away. Our muzzleloader season runs after modern deer season, through December and sometimes into January. January can be COLD!!!



This is a very interesting place to live. I am sure the powder will do real well.

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I am switching to it in my Omega, no swabbing necessary and I only shot about 10 shots with it, but it was accurate and very little smoke. I like it, I think the cost will come down as it gets more widespread. The picture is a 3 shot 100 yard group in an Omegawith a Barnes 300g MZ with supplied sabot and 100g of BH, Federal Primer. It loads much easier than 777. The expansion is a function of the bullet your using not the powder. Chap Gleason

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It was on the ultimate sight but I saw it somewhere else also,I will look into it

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Thanks so much to all that replied.I will give this some serious consideration and will also be thinking of T777 to possibly use.I know how good T777 is and the cost is still high on the Blackhorn 209 so maybe it will come down.I will be shooting it in a Remington Genesis which will be in next wednesday as I ordered two of them one for me and also my nephew.By far muzzleloading is the most fun to hunt with even though I love my sluggun.Just something to watch that smoke from the barrel and wait till it clears to see if you got that deer.Thanks so much to all that replied! Mike