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Finally got out yesterday to test some BH.Had worked up my KRB load the day before and wanted a back up rifle.Tested my Omega w/3x9 Buckmaster.Started and stayed w/90gr.BH,250gr.standard Shock Wave and w209 primer(thanks lemoyne).Used fairly heavy seating pressure.Seven rounds,no swabbing at all,let bore cool 4-5 min.between shots.Definately a different recoil from t72f.A quick punch is how I might describe it.Not at all flintching re-coil to those who have such tendancies.50% or so less smoke.Clean up about 30% quicker than t7.Not a necessity but still a plus.Oh,I almost forgot,7 rounds could be covered w/a 35 cent piece.I'm likeing it.Expensive, but for hunting,probably not bad at all.Would like to shoot another bullet,have had Shock Waves punch straight through when placed in the crease.Probably going to test 250 spitfires,gold dots(sabotloader)and nosler partitions.Might add that my bore had been J B'd before the first round went down the tube.The gun has about 500-550 rounds through it.No problem loading.Nice easy tight slide.

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Hunt4me... seven shots covered by a quarter sounds pretty good to me. I agree about the recoil, but you described it better then I could. I think the Shockwaves would make a good bullet but I HAVE NOT SHOT A DEER WITH THEM. Too many people have though to make me doubt their ability. I guess I just have to have the opportunity. :D

If you have any 250 grain Speer Gold Dots or the 250 grain Hornady XTP in a HPH sabot, they might do real well for you. Also a lot of deer have fell to that XTP. So all it boils down to is a little more testing and bullet applications..

At least you know the powder is accurate and does all that it promises. I like the breech plug backing right out after shooting also... Nice shooting.

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Cayugad,..I wish it were 25 cent pc...actually would have taken a 35 cent piece..I should also mention I was useing the deep dish breech plug.Lemoyne said he got somewhat better targets with that one.That is one reason this is such a great site.Tons of valuable info. from obviously good people.I am going to push some gold dots through it.Which sabot are you suggesting,the short 12's or the 24's.Have taken several whitails with the Dots and deer really don't like them.They drop within sight if placement is correct.I don't like puttin it in the shoulder.too much meat loss.That's good BBQ STUFF

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I should add to my original post that the targets were at 75 yds.I zero my mzl.guns at this distance.Which gives me point and shoot out to about 125.Plus just about all my deer are taken in the 40-80 yd.range. hunt4me

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HUNT4ME

I do not think you can get the short black or the HPH-12 down your bore bore... Anywaythey are to tight to go down mynew Knight Disk Extreme. Think you will need the HPH-24. Especially in the Omega..

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Thanks for the tip sabotloader.I'm really hopeing for the Gold Dots to group.Even if I sacrifice a bit of accuracy,they do a number on deer and the cost is obviously much better. hunt4me

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HUNT4ME

Just from my experiance remember that Gold Dots need to be driven pretty hard to maintain accuracy.

Another queston? is your Omega and older one? The reason I ask is that newer Omega's seem to have a much tighter bore and you might need the 3p with a full .452 bullet... Never mind you answered my question in your post - the standard SW sabot is a HPH-24...

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Sabotloader,..."pretty hard" ? I was pushing them with 110 gr.of T7ff last year.Any idea of the BH209 equivolent..Really hopeing for some good accuracy with the Dots.They are a good deer bullet,at least in my opinion.My Omega sports an invention some "guy" came up with.It has a channeled out wooden "spacer"under the barrel.Floated it nicely.Groups improved considerably,thanks to him. hunt4me

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HUNT4ME

I THINK - 110 grains of T7-2f is right on the mark... that is what I shoot except I do use 120 in the Knight DExtreme... I also believe that BH-209 is really close to being equal with the T7. Of course that depends on sabot fit - ignition - compression with BH because it takes all of those for the progressive nature of the powder to work to it full extent.

Here is a comparison chart(s).... Remember also - most say that T7-3f is hotter than 2f - but i can not prove it. When I shoot them both across my chrono there is really not a big difference..... there is a difference but not that big... 3f is easier to ignite and reaches peak quicker than 2f

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good testing... i bought some more of the BH powder to use which im gonna sight my ML'er back in at 75 yards also. I tested 100 yards just to see which was damn good. But like you, I seldom shoot over 75 yards at all, normally 25 yards max. Ive had hit and miss results with shockwaves. Some went clean through while others wouldnt exit the other side of the deer. These were shoulder to shoulder shots which did effect the impact some. But at under 35 yards I would expect an exit. Neither deer that I had no exits on went over 26 yards though(one dropped dead). Both were also mature 4.5 year old bucks so a little tougher than shooting a doe. But I have to see a sabot fly as accurate as the shockwaves. I hear good things from the SST's though. Barnes supposedlt makes a dang good sabot also but I couldnt get those MZ tipped ones to grouo worth crap in m knight. Now in the pro hunter they may do better.

I would be interested to see tests done between the regular shockwaves and the superglides since some believe the easy to load sabots effect accuracy but I havent noticed any differences

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HUNT4ME

Didn't see this in your report at first.... Eyes got one of dem pieces a wood under mine also... It has helped dis shooter a bunch... itz terrible when ya gotta give some credit to a block of wood for making ya a better shooter...

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Can you elaborate on this block of wood you use to float the barrel? Any pics? Can I make or purchase one for my rifle?

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Sabotloader,....It's all yours my friend. hunt4me

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HUNT4ME
Now that is some fine shooting. Isn't it nice when everthing works the way you want it to?
An other load you might try some time is 90gr BH and the 200gr Shock Wave this is one very good bullet BC is .267 and if I remember rightthe SD is 167. It is light recoil even cranked upto 120 gr of BH @2250 fps and one of the most accurate bullets I have shot at 250 yds

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SC Sportsman

This particular piece of wood we are talking about is built for the Omega with composit stock. If youhave an Omega with the wood stock and even a Thumbhole composit stock - you really do not need the block.

If you have a composit stock take a look at the lug pockets in the stock they are very shallow and the walls of the lug pockects are not that thick. Recoil can cause a fracture/separtion problem in the bottom of the lugpocket. So to re-enforce the pockets I built a hardwood insert to snugly between the pockets and up against the lugs on the barrel. This stops all the front and rearward movement of the action in the stock. AND I SHOULD SAY "If the lugs are tight on the action" need to check those screws once in awhile.

With this block in place you can also instert a teflon shim in the bottom of the pockets to lift the action creating a floating barrel. The very front of the Omega compsit stock will flex under load and if that presses against the barrel it will move the POI. If you look at the barrel channel in the stock and you see any polished marks the barrel is moving and touching the stock - or you can do the old standby trick and slide a dollor bill under the barrel and done to the first recoil lug.

With the block and shims it makes it stonger and with the shims you get a floating barrel.

Here is a pic - do not know if it well help you understand what I am talking about...

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Interesting. Thats the same stock that I have. I think I might be able to make one of those. Probably won't look as good though. I can't tell from the pics but is the top of the block flat or is it concave to make room for the barrel?
I hope I'm not hijacking this thread.

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There you have it SC Sportsman.One change in my rifle is that I used carborator shims in my lug pockets.But I'm sure as Sabotloader shared,the teflon will work great.Lemoyne,thanks for the 200 Shock Wave tip.Gonna try em' out ASAP.Lemoyne,in your opinion is that enough punch for whitetails.Or is that just for bragging when punching paper.Don't mind showing off good groups.Just hate for deer to get away. hunt4me

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SC Sportsman
There is a depression in the middle of the block for the ram rod to pass through. I am on the wrong comptuer right now (I am suppose to be doing a football practice plan)to show you additional pictures - when I get back to other computer - I'll get some other pics, think I have some that will show other pics...

Just switched computers - do not have any other pictures that really show the shape of the block... If you are interested I can pull the block out and getsome additional pictures... let me know

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Thats ok sabotloader. I can look at my rifle and kinda tell how it needs to be. Thanks alot for the pics.

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Every now and then I see something that leads me to believe that people expect more penetration when they are close to an animal, that may be true with something like a full jacketed army bullet since it is not designed to open up[ mushroom] but with any type of hollow point bullet when it in the top end of its speed range it will open faster and which uses up the energy carried buy the bullet and therefore it will penetrate less than it would at a longer range. If all your shots are close one of the all copper bullets, a nosler partition, a bore size conical in a heavy weight [405 Powerbelt or Sabre tooth with 80 gr powder or a 460gr ] 0r reducing your load might help. The core bonded bullets are very good but even they do have reduced penetration when used at high speed and close range. I have run into this some myself as on my own property most shots would be around 25 but when on the other property I can hunt I often get shots up to 220 through I often past those shots there is one very difficult 10 point buck I have been after for 3 years I would take any reasonable shot at, Lee

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So Lee,...What I hear you say is just what I've experienced and pondered for awhile now.The Shock Wave,SST type bullets are designed more for long range targets,maybe in the 100yd.plus range.And the Gold dots,Partition style projectiles are more suited for 25-80yd range.I've taken 3 deer with Sh.Wvs. and had to go find all of them.Now I know somebody's gonna say they have had deer drop in thier tracks.And I don't doubt it.Just my experience I'm familiar with.But I have also taken several with Gold Dots and 2 with Nosler partitions and I watched them go down.Again I put the round when possible in the crease and the "pointy" bullets go straight thru for me.I hunt with 90-110 gr.of T72f.Am I close with my deduction?

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Kinda the way I look at it, of course the most important thing is always accuracy, but you really need to drive the "pointy" bullets at just the right speed for optimum results, to me they work well at extreme velocity or at slower velocity they seem to only open part way before they get through in the medium velocity but for up to 150 yds the 250 gold dot is a real stop them in there tracks bullet in my experience, for some reason the 200 gr SW has been real good for me at all ranges. I suspect that the 2250 fps that I normally shoot it at is the reason. Lee

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thats exactly what I found out.. Ive shot some good deer at under 20 yards and didnt get a exit. I was shooting the bonded shockwaves. I recently switched back to the plain shockwaves in hops that they expand a bit more and drive deeper. Neither deer went over 45 yards and blood trailing was still easy. I just like double holes better though.

huntman, I dont shoot many deer but out of 4 I have mounted in the past 3 years Ive had 2 drop and 2 go 40 yards. one was 65 yards out while the other 3 deer were under 20 yards. So its 50/50 on dropping or running, but that will depend on the shot placement also. As long as I get a good blood trail im happy and the shockwaves have done that. I recovered 2 of the sabots on 2 of them which were implanted in the opposite shoulder and the bonded had a hard time expanding but still did the job.

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Lemoyne,...I'm sure I missed it somewhere along the way so tell me again,what charge are you driveing those 200 S Waves with/