Triple Se7en & BlackHorn compared for Semisane
 

This is the Knight Disc .50 caliber shooting Black Horn 209 powder yesterday. Overall pretty good groups.






Today this was the Knight Disc shooting Triple Se7en 2f powder. Again, pretty good groups although the 200 grain XTP were just wild today. Also the 300 grain XTP's normally group better then this, but a storm cloud was coming over so I shot that group and never swabbed the barrel. I was using MMP HPH-24 sabots and other then some crud ring in the bottom (and not really all that bad) they loaded like a dream.



The real surprise of the day were the Shockwaves. I ran out of 300 grain yesterday and thought I had more but [&o] my stock is low. But I did have some 250 grain Shockwaves so I used them. I only loaded 90 grains of powder because I knew that the Shockwaves shot best with that charge. Well I had a good group going. The first two were almost the same hole. Then that third one jumped way out there :eek: but the next two were again back to the original spot. Needless to say, I was pleased.

So overall, Triple Se7en will shoot just as good if not better groups out of that rifle. But take into account, with the BlackHorn 209 I have never tuned the loads like I have with the Triple Se7en 2f. So to be fair, this was not a test of accuracy with the BlackHorn 209.

I am still wondering what I did wrong with them 200 grain XTP's. That kind of bothered me a little.

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We had an unbelieveable down pour this morning, just after I got to the range and got set up, since I have to hunt in the rain sometimes i deceided to shoot anyway. It was raining so hard at 10 am that I could barly see 100 yds so I deceided to try two of my stand hunting loads.
110 gr BH Gold Dot 250 usually groups under one inch it give me a 5 shot 3 inch group I was shock; the next load was 90 gr BH and 250 SW it usually groups an inch and it shoot two ragged holes one above the other right at an inch. The wind was gusting about 25 or 30 miles per hour but it was at 90 deg and I time that and all shots wer right where I expected them for windage. The Gold Dot is normally my best shooting bullet I sometimes get .625 groups center to center with it, but it sure don't like going through a down pour some holes looked a little bigger than they should be. Any ideas? Lee

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Thanks for the comparison shoot Cayugad. That's really strange the way those 200 XTPs spread on you. Where'sLookiedatmoa when you need him?

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Semi - when I threw that third Shockwave I immediately thought of your post on the muzzleloader gods. Then I swabbed the barrel real good, let it cool (went and had a glass of ice tea), and then really concentrated on the last two shots.. Had that one flier been in that hole, it might well have been the best 100 yard group I ever shot. So now I have something to work towards, as I know this rifle can do it.

Lee - Do you suspect that the moisture was effecting the BlackHorn 209? I do occasionally shoot in the rain, normally not a real down pour, but I do that to see what the powder will do in those circumstances.. Also, do you find that projectiles shoot higher in hot weather? Those Shockwaves, while just over the X should have actually hit in or under that X, the same as the others. And I really have no idea why those 10mm 200 grain XTP's went crazy. I have to order some more sabots from MMP as I ordered two hundred bullets, but have no sabots left.

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The Shock Waves shot just like they normally do, it was raining like 8/10 of an inch in about 3/4 of an hour, I am guessing that maybe that big hollow point don't shoot well in that heavy a rain, do you suppose it could collect water in the hollow point? I ran some tests on BH and moisture has vert little affect on it. Lee

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:D I would doubt water collects in the hollow point, but then again....

I am really glad to hear that you believe the BlackHorn 209 is not moisture sensative. Shooting in a downpour is really a difference experience. It's amazing how it will effect your line of sight. I say this from years of duck and goose hunting in fog and rain. It makes for an interesting day.

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Good report Dave. I'm impressed with the 250 gr shockwaves. I think that is what I'd use.
How do you keep track of your loads for each rifle? It used to be easy - but now with so many ML, I find I have to keep a log of which on shoots what the best.
Even with a log, I keep trying new bullets, powder, charges, etc. Hopefully this week I am going to try some sabot/bullets in one of the .50 LRH barrels. I got some Harvester EZ load sabots 50/44 and going to try some 240 gr and 265 gr bullets I have. Report will follow.

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Each rifle has its own computer file. In the file besides all the identification information of the rifle, there is a complete list of the range dates, with photographs of the session. Then I list the loads, powder charges, and make note of how they did.

I was going to build a data file for all of these and that way if I wanted to shoot a certain bullet I could pull up loads that I tried and what worked. Each would tell the range date that I could then go back and inspect.

But of course I have not done that yet, so I have to search the file for information when I want to know the load. Once I have SET loads, I enter them highlighted so they stand out more and are then easier to find.

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Dave , I am fairly sure about that, I delibertly poured some on damp cloth and let it set for a bit then dumped it on to a dry cloth and rolled the cloth up and worked it around to take any excess off; the logic being if the powder absorbed the moisture like some will it would miss fire, all three shots fire with out any hesitation so I believe that it is at least resistant to humidity. I looked carefully at the holes in the paper besause they looked a bit different, I did not expect the rain to affect the flight of the bullet. I think I won't be taking any long shoots in the rain any way, but it would be nice to know just what effects it can cause; look how far just a good strong breeze can move one in a hundred yds. Lee

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That's true.. especially a cross wind. The more I hear about his powder the more I like it. I even think that once distribution of it gets better, we might see price reductions or off season sales on the stuff. That would be the time to stock pile.

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I'm trying to find some around here in Wcentral Mich, No one has heard of it yet in the shops I have gone to yet!

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Since I have family coming to visit from the big cities to the south I called a number of the larger sporting good chains, Gander Mountain, Dick's Sporting Goods, and some of the other places I know of down there. It was my hopes that they had it in stock and that I could send one of the family over there for a couple more jugs of the stuff. None of them had it, and like you said, most never heard of it. I guess I am doomed to order and pay the hazmat fee unless I can talk a friend of mine up here that runs a shooting range to stock it.

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I noticed on one of the other forums that it was noted that Powder Valley had it for sale at a reasonable cost. Looks like if you were to purchase 5 containers of BH, the savings from Powder Valley should cover the hazmat fee compared to ordering from Midsouth. Not sure what freight would be from Powder Valley, but their pricing is definitely attractive.

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Here is the pricing I obtained from Powder Valley's site. Forgot to include it in my last post.





Item No.
Description
In Stock
Our Price
Buy


BH209 *
**NEW** BLACKHORN 209 10 OZ.
Yes
$25.98

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WOW... that is a good price. If a person ordered five jugs, he'd of saved the cost of hazmat from the other places. Not to hard to go through five jugs of powder. Thanks for the link.

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I just ordered six jugs from powder Valley. It came to $31.05 a jug shipped. I bought a jug at Cabelas for $40.65 with tax. I just got a new tc endeavor. The last three shot group at 100 yds was 11/16. That was with 27 shots thru the barrel since cleaning. The last round loaded just as easy as the first. Then I cleaned it up with Hoppes #9. The breach plug was really black. I thought it would be a job to get it clean. I just wiped it out with a paper towel. Didn't use any solvent. FANTASTIC stuff. I had just sold my encore to a friend. Tired of the mess, swabbing and stink.With this powder, I had to have another one. Just got some TC 200 grain today to try.

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Dave
I was at bass pro in Gurney Mills Ill I bought a lb of goex 3 f for 20.00. Black gold was 34.95 for10 oz they had 3 cans on the shelf. I let it stay there I did save a bit on the goex. bye the time I pay hazmat ect I would have paid more to ship it. That black horn gold is a long ways off

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I am realy thinking about selling the encore and staying with the flint and side hammers. I get all I want from them and I can shoot and cast bullets a lot cheaper.

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Graf's & Sons have BlackHorn 209 for $29.99 plus shipping. So if person ordered five jugs it would not be all that bad. Especially if you picked up some other powders and made a half case or so..

As for Goex, I buy that by the case. So you pay $12.99 for a pound plus a dollar a can for its share of the hazmat. So you have about $14.00 a pound in that. Not too bad.

I have to behave for a while now. I just bought $125.00 worth of bullets and stuff. But now I have lots to shoot for the month... :D

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cayugad
Tell me some thing bad about the new TC Encore Endeavor, I handled on the other day and I think it bit me. Lee

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I do not handle them rifles anymore... I have all the rifles I can shoot now. I still have two on the shelf I have not yet shot. Although everyone that has them Endevors talks about how good they are. You should maybe get one to make your collection a little bigger.

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Oh i have about 15 more than I can shoot at one time, but I keep wanting any how. Lee

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My Encore liked the SW 250's with the magnum load of 150 grns or 3 pelletts.
I forgot my loose powder that day so I didn't shoot any other loads
I just bought a 30 pack to test

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From what I have read Saxman 1, a lot of them Encores, and Pro Hunters shoot the Shockwave with magnum charges very well. I am sure the rifle had to be somewhat designed that way. And that has to be a good load for about anything you want to shoot....