Blackhorn 209 info
I have been searching for info on this new powder from Western Powder and have come across a comparison of the cost per shot that looks interesting. Here is the spreadsheet.
Jim Triple Jim Shokeys Shockeys Triple Seven Pyrodex Granular Sticks Seven Pellets Pyrodex Pellets Blackhorn Volume Units 100 2 sticks 100 2 pellets 100 2 pellets 100 Powder Cost 0.243 0.500 0.316 0.600 0.217 0.440 0.520 Saturated patches 0.011 0.011 0.056 0.056 0.056 0.056 0.003 Dry patches 0.007 0.007 0.033 0.033 0.033 0.033 0.002 Bore butter patch 0.044 0.044 0.220 0.220 0.2200.220 Anti-seize breech plug 0.040 0.040 0.040 0.040 0.020 Win T7 primers 0.060 0.060 Win 209 primers 0.037 0.037 0.037 0.037 0.037 Powder and Incidentals 0.342 0.599 0.724 1.009 0.603 0.826 0.581 Bullet/Sabot 0.500 0.500 0.5000.500 0.500 0.500 0.500 Cost per Shot 0.84 1.10 1.221.51 1.10 1.33 1.08 Assumptions Cost Unit Cost/Ea. Saturated patches $11.29 200 0.056 Blackhorn Dry patches $3.29 1000.033 One saturated patch and one dry patch every 20 rounds Bore butter patches $5.49 250.220 Hodgdon's Anti-seize breech plug$7.99 200 0.040 One saturated patch, one bore butter patch and one dry patch every round Win T7 primers $30.00 5000.060 Jim Shockeys Win 209 primers$37.00 1000 0.037 One saturated patch, one bore butter patch and one dry patch every 5 rounds Bullet / sabot $11.99 150.799 Anti Seize - Estimate 200 shots per tube for T7 and Pyrodex Wgt grains At 100 Volume Shots Cost Cost/Bottle Units Can Shot Jim Shokeys Gold 3Fg 19.99 85.00 82.35 0.2427 Triple 7 25.99 85.00 82.35 0.3156 Pyrodex 19.99 76.00 92.11 0.2170 Blackhorn 209 32.50 70.00 62.50 0.5200 Jim Shockys Stick 24.99 50.00 0.4998 Triple 7 Pellets 29.99 50.00 0.5998 Pyrodex Pellets 21.99 50.00 0.4398 While Blackhorn 209 is generally more expensive per shot than most other powders, according to this chart when combined with the other costs of shooting it does seem to offset a lot of the cost of the powder. I noticed the bullet/sabot used at the top is $.50 and the one listed in the assumptions is $.799 but that would change the totals equally and not affect the comparison results. Another thing I noticed is that 10 oz. of Blackhorn gives only 20 shots less than a pound of 777 powder, not bad considering the fact there's 60% more powder weightin the 777. I also found some info that indicates they are doing testing with heavier bullets but have not released the results yet. We may yet be able to use this new powder with the heavy lead some of us like. |
RE: Blackhorn 209 info
That chart must have been put together by Hillary.:D
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RE: Blackhorn 209 info
Thanks Dave!
But I just know you have this data in a PDF file...Right;) Requesting Dave's cool data spread sheet in PDF/Excel format:D Tanks! |
RE: Blackhorn 209 info
ORIGINAL: dmurphy317 I have been searching for info on this new powder from Western Powder and have come across a comparison of the cost per shot that looks interesting. Here is the spreadsheet. Jim Triple Jim Shokeys Shockeys Triple Seven Pyrodex Granular Sticks Seven Pellets Pyrodex Pellets Blackhorn Volume Units 100 2 sticks 100 2 pellets 100 2 pellets 100 Powder Cost 0.243 0.500 0.316 0.600 0.217 0.440 0.520 Saturated patches 0.011 0.011 0.056 0.056 0.056 0.056 0.003 Dry patches 0.007 0.007 0.033 0.033 0.033 0.033 0.002 Bore butter patch 0.044 0.044 0.220 0.220 0.220 0.220 Anti-seize breech plug 0.040 0.040 0.040 0.040 0.020 Win T7 primers 0.060 0.060 Win 209 primers 0.037 0.037 0.037 0.037 0.037 Powder and Incidentals 0.342 0.599 0.724 1.009 0.603 0.826 0.581 Bullet/Sabot 0.500 0.500 0.500 0.500 0.500 0.500 0.500 Cost per Shot 0.84 1.10 1.22 1.51 1.10 1.33 1.08 Assumptions Cost Unit Cost/Ea. Saturated patches $11.29 200 0.056 Blackhorn Dry patches $3.29 1000.033 One saturated patch and one dry patch every 20 rounds Bore butter patches $5.49 250.220 Hodgdon's Anti-seize breech plug$7.99 200 0.040 One saturated patch, one bore butter patch and one dry patch every round Win T7 primers $30.00 5000.060 Jim Shockeys Win 209 primers$37.00 1000 0.037 One saturated patch, one bore butter patch and one dry patch every 5 rounds Bullet / sabot $11.99 150.799 Anti Seize - Estimate 200 shots per tube for T7 and Pyrodex Wgt grains At 100 Volume Shots Cost Cost/Bottle Units Can Shot Jim Shokeys Gold 3Fg 19.99 85.00 82.35 0.2427 Triple 7 25.99 85.00 82.35 0.3156 Pyrodex 19.99 76.00 92.11 0.2170 Blackhorn 209 32.50 70.00 62.50 0.5200 Jim Shockys Stick 24.99 50.00 0.4998 Triple 7 Pellets 29.99 50.00 0.5998 Pyrodex Pellets 21.99 50.00 0.4398 While Blackhorn 209 is generally more expensive per shot than most other powders, according to this chart when combined with the other costs of shooting it does seem to offset a lot of the cost of the powder. I noticed the bullet/sabot used at the top is $.50 and the one listed in the assumptions is $.799 but that would change the totals equally and not affect the comparison results. Another thing I noticed is that 10 oz. of Blackhorn gives only 20 shots less than a pound of 777 powder, not bad considering the fact there's 60% more powder weightin the 777. I also found some info that indicates they are doing testing with heavier bullets but have not released the results yet. We may yet be able to use this new powder with the heavy lead some of us like. Chap |
RE: Blackhorn 209 info
Relative to heavy bullets I got this from Doug at Western.
Hello Keith,[/align]We have done completed testing on heavier bullets and conical. Don't expect pressure to be a problem .[/align]Should have information available soon.[/align]Thanks for your interest in Blackhorn 209![/align][/align] |
RE: Blackhorn 209 info
I got basically the same info. Here is some otherinfo I got.
".... there is nothing specific to Blackhorn 209 to suggest you would achieve higher pressures than with T7 as all our testing has indicated that Blackhorn 209 will produce lower pressure than T7. Blackhorn 209....100 volumetric units....Hornady 385 grain Great Plains....1,576 fps Blackhorn 209....120 volumetric units....Hornady 385 grain Great Plains....1,801 fps" I'm looking forward to the heavy projectile data coming out. |
RE: Blackhorn 209 info
Their incidental cost are a bit high I think for T7. I don't use a bore butter patch. I run between shots a spit patch and a dry patch. That seems to work well. I've yet to see any advantage of a bore butter patch....
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RE: Blackhorn 209 info
There are things in their assumptions that I don't always do and I agree that for some this does not reflect their personal routine when shooting. It does represent to some extent what some people may do. It also gives reason to think about more than just the cost of powder when figuring out the real cost of shooting. I personally only use BB for a conical lube and then only if it's all I have and It's not too warm. I also use a spit patch to swab between shot when neccessary, for some guns I can shoot all day without swabbing even with 777. Your experience may differ.
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RE: Blackhorn 209 info
Just curious whether this has been tested in an Encore (older pre Pro Hunter) and if the breech plug is sufficient?
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RE: Blackhorn 209 info
blackheel
I do not know if it has been tested but by design it should work just fine in an Encore/Omega closed breech.... |
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