Scope and Sighting In Questions
 

Hi all, first off, I just signed up here, and I gotta say, this is a great site. Lots of great information on here. I'm fairly new to ML'ers, but am learning a lot, so thanks.

Next, my wife got me a Knight KRB7 for my birthday. I love the way it feels and shoulders. I haven't had the chance to shoot it yet, but I'm hoping tomorrow the weather will cooperate and I'll get out to the range to try it out. Anyway, I live and hunt in central-ish WY, so I need a gun that will shoot out to a hundred yards. I have a scope I'm going to mount on it, and here's my problem -the back of the scope hangs over the action. This makes dropping a primer in a little bit of a problem. Cleaning it isn't a big deal, as the whole thing drops out so you don't have anything in the way. My question is if I would be better off to get some higher rings for the scope, or get a priming tool and just fight with it a little. I really like the way it feels with the low rings on it, so I'm a little torn.

Also, I've never had a new gun before, and everything I've ever used was my Dad's that was already scoped and sighted in. So, what's the best way to go about sighting in a 3x-9x scope on a ML? I know that's kind of a broad question and all, but any help you can give would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again and I love the site.

Vince

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When I sight in a scope.. if it is not bore sighted you can do so in the house. If you have a gun rest, take the breech plug out of the rifle. Set the rifle in the gun rest. If you have no gun rest take a large cardboard box and cut some V in opposite sides and use that. Aim the rifle about 13 yards away looking through the barrel, at a door knob or a spot on the wall. Then carefully without moving the rifle adjust the cross hairs of the scope to that point. That should put you on a paper target at 13 or 25 yards. I like to start the first shot at 13 yards. Aim dead center bull. Fire the rifle, swab the barrel and shoot again. Then swab and fire a third shot. Adjust the scope from there.

Then move back to 25 yards. Swab the barrel and do it again all over with. When you have a load that will keep in a general area on paper at 25 yards, you can then start to work on tuning the load. When you have the load tuned, then it is a matter of moving back to the distance you want the scope sighted in at.

As for capping the rifle, I do not know the rifle that well since I have not purchased one yet. Perhaps a straight line 209 capper would help you reach in under that scope and place the primer better. I am sure there are KRB7 owners that can help you with that..

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I am a little on the same boat as you are on the rings but in the opposit I got high rings and needing to go to lower rings. but I like and use to the high rings. best thing I can suggest is if you have a set of high rings setting around try them on the gun and see.

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Did ya notice Dave said he hasnt purchased one of these guns YET!!!:D:D

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Priming the KRB is tricky and even more so with a low-mounted scope. I would go to medium rings and then just work on positioning that primer with your fingers. I tried a straight-line capper and my usual result was flipping the primer into a worse position than would have been the case with bare fingers. Some tell me that with practice at positioning the primer, the effort is lessened. Since my barrel is now back at Knight, I've not had enough practice to see an improvement. A capper could be devised that would neatly position the primer, but I've not seen such atool yet.

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So far as scoping - firmly afix your scope, remove the hammer/trigger assembly and breech plug - sight through the bore at some distant object - center object in bore and then set the crosshairs to intersect a bit below that same object. A cardboard box can be used to steady the rifle while making this adjustment.

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For sighting in - I usually mount the scope and then take it down to the local gun store - they bore-sight it for $3.

After it is bore-sighted, I'll go to the range. A bore-sighted rifle should (in theory) print shots on the paper at 100 yards. So from there, you start to work up loads - experimenting with powder charges and bullets until you find something that shoots accurate groups. Once you get there, you adjust the scope to center your shots on the bulls-eye.

For typical WV ranges, I would sight it to be dead-on at 100 yards with whatever load you work up.

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Welcome SuperKirby, I'm kinda in the same boat. I just got a new KRB and mounted my scope. It's gonna be a challenge for me to primer my KRB also because of the scope and I have "hams" for hands. Hopefully some other KRB owners will let us in on a good way to prime our KRB's.

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If your shots are 100 yards or less, you might consider setting it up with a peep sight instead of a scope. I'm doing that with my White Ultra Mag as soon as the sight arrives later this week. I have one on another rifle and it shoots as well as my scoped rifles out past 100 yards. Good luck either way.

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Dang, I must have small hands. I don't find priming my KRB to be any kind of an issue.

UC.....Did you haveproblems with your barrel?

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Well, I went out to the range yesterday, and got there just in time for the wind to come up. That was lucky. I thought I might miss it. I did some shooting still. I shot the 10 rounds with powerbelts and 100 gr. loose APP. I thought that would be a good way to at least see if my scope was anywhere near close to be on. It wasn't. Just before I left, I decided to throw 100 gr. of Pyrodex and a 250 gr. Shockwave with a slick load sabot in. That was at least close. But then a really cold wind started blowing, so I decided that was enough. I should at least have somewhere close to start next time. On the plus side, I did find it surprisingly easy to prime. Practiced a little before I went, and got so I could drop them in every time.

I do have a couple questions, though, if y'all don't mind a few dumb newbie questions. On the scope, to get it close, I think I ended up having to move it up and to the right about 4 in. both ways. Is that normal, or do I not have something on there right? (I didn't have the opportunity to have it bore sighted, and I've never sighted one in before that hasn't been at least bore sighted before.) I also still need to go up and to the right another 1-2 in.

Also, when I was cleaning it when I got home, it would have been a lot easier to get at a few parts of it if I would have taken the barrel off. It's just one bolt, but does it affect accuracy or anything to take the whole thing apart that far everytime you need to clean it? And, I think I know the answer to this one, but I'm going to ask anyway, so don't laugh. Once it's sighted in, if you take the scope off, how much does it mess it up? I mean, if you unscrew the rings from the bases, so the scope doesn't move? I'm guessing you can't, but like I said, it would sure make things easier.

Thanks for the help guys.

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I remove the barrels from the stocks all the time. I also have my scopes with Warne QD rings. I take the scopes off and the barrel off. When I put it all back together there is not that much difference in the POI. I think that if you have a good rifle, with a solid stock, good bases and quality mounts, then there is not such a large impact to pull it all apart.

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I have weaver or leupold rings on mine and ake he scopes off a lot. If I put them back on the same rifle the POI does not change but a little/

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Johnmorris, food for thought. When most good gun smiths set up a gun they blue locktight the screws in the bases, put the bottom half of the rings on slide them all the way forward and tighten them down [this is the direction that recoil will try to move them in] do it with both ring bases then set the scope on as you want it and put on the top of the rings. When you have taken the scope off for cleaning and are putting it back on slide it forward till all the slop is out and tighten the rings on the base exactly the same amount that they were to start with. It should hold its POI if this is done right and not just be close. Lee

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Chris, yes - my first KRB barrel has four different diameters as from muzzle to breechplug. Second one seems much better and is a bit larger bore overall.

Lee, with my Warnes I push the front ring forward and the rear ring back in their respective slots. Makes it a little bit trickier to get them back on but that method seems to work just fine for me.