xtps vs xtpmags
 

Anyone know the performance difference between the two? Just happened to look at them at gander mtn today. The xtps $18.00, xtpmags $24.00 a box. shot the xtps way in the past, seemed to work fine w/90 to 100grs ffg out of my mk85 if memory serves! Getting older though!!

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I've shot both but never took a deer with either. I heard the XTP mags hold together a little more and do not expand as much. Whether that's true I can not confirm with in the field experience.

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Killed about ten deer and50-60 hogs with240 grain .44 caliberXTP bullets. Vast majority were bang flops. Onehuge hogwas probably shot with a 240 grain .45 caliberXTP. That bulletwent through both shoulders.

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I believe the XTP was designed for handgun velocities, and the XTP Mag is simply a heavier jacket for thehigher velocity muzzleloaders.
Only shot 2 deer with XTPs, one was with a plain XTP handgun bulletthrough the lungs broadsideand it went about 30 yards with a huge exit wound. The other was this winter with an XTP Mag and the deer was quartering toward me. I put it in front of thefront leg andthrough the body cavity toward the rear leg on the off side. No exit - bang flop - lungs looked like jello. ;)
Both were 300 grain bullets, andpushed by 100 gr Pyrodex.

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Mag version is suppose to be design for higher velocity. I have used both and honestly didn't notice any difference in performance. I stuck with the XTP's b/c they are cheaper. The onlygameI have shot with 300gr xtp was a black bear and moose...both died effeciently from one shot. I have used the 240 -.43and 250 .45xtps for a number of deer, also never needed a second. My loads were 85 - 100 gr with 240/250 xtp's, depending on the rifle.

Come to think of it,savage shooters say stay away from the mag XTP version,one would think if velocity is the reason for the Mag version then they should be the choice in this weapon where velocities are typically higher then sub shooting inlines????:eek: Never shot Mags in the savage, doubt i ever will I have a good supply of the regular xtps

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Yes, that is true. The jacket is thicker. My son has shot a few deer with them a couple of years ago and they worked good. I like the thicker jacket for bone hits. Chap Gleason

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Also the mags have a nasty habit of not opening up, punching straight thru. I'd stay with the regulars, and if you think they are going too fast you can slow them down with more weight.(300g)

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I have killed a bunch of deer with the 44/240 XTP. Almost all were bang flop.Shot one with a 45/300 XTP Mag. Only deer I ever lost with MZ. Shoulder shot, decent blood trail,long track,lost deer. Maybe a bad shot placement? I will never know. All I do know is the shoulder was broken,dragging leg,and the deer fed the coyotes,not me. I switched bullets.

Charlie

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They both work well if used right the XTP Mag should only be used when the velocity is over 2000 FPS which means the loads most people and most guns like are to light. Lee

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Lee is Correct, Personally when shooting the XTPsI like the 44cal .430 300gr with a green MMp or Harvester Sabot the .430 has the Highest BC of any of the XTPs , But I am Interested in trying out some of the .40 10mm 200gr this year also!

Ron

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IMO the problem with the mags is the velocity has to be high at IMPACT. A 300g xtp bullet launched at 2100 fps(very fast for BP) is only going ~1350 fps at 200yds. Only 1675 fps at 100yds. You have to worry about the entire range of velocity you will be working with, not just the first 10-50 yds.

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Please see this chart for various XTP's (regular and Mag) and various velocities. You can see that the performance design of the 44cal 300g XTP is very wide from about 800 fps to 1900 fps, which is ML speed over 0 to 200 yards range. The 45 cal 300g XTP/Mag has a performance range 1100 to 2100, which to me is excellent for inline ML, no so good for sidelocks and FLs. Based on the velocities that Hoss published above the Mag would expand for the 300g. The do tend to puch thru because of the thicker jacket, but the also do not loose their jacket and fragment when shot hard and close.
Chap