Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
03-02-2008, 09:30 AM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
Those originals seem to do real good. From all I have read they are a deadly load on about anything you want to hunt. So it is a good load and rifle you have there Chap. I can understand the appeal of the Savage for sure.
03-02-2008, 12:38 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
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Oh there it chap, nice shooting. I couln't get it to come up on the savage forum.
Oh there it chap, nice shooting. I couln't get it to come up on the savage forum.
03-02-2008, 02:29 PM
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
The Shockwaves really were accurate, as were the Hornady 300 grain XTP. And the Parker Extremes do real well too. I know nothing about smokeless powder, but with them Shockwaves and that powder charge, what kind of velocity would you be getting out of it?
03-02-2008, 06:13 PM
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
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The Shockwaves really were accurate, as were the Hornady 300 grain XTP. And the Parker Extremes do real well too. I know nothing about smokeless powder, but with them Shockwaves and that powder charge, what kind of velocity would you be getting out of it?
The Shockwaves really were accurate, as were the Hornady 300 grain XTP. And the Parker Extremes do real well too. I know nothing about smokeless powder, but with them Shockwaves and that powder charge, what kind of velocity would you be getting out of it?
Chap
03-02-2008, 06:23 PM
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
Something about those numbers chap, from the reports I've heard they are about 100-150 fps high. As blackpowder shooters we are all aware how manufacter's push the truth a little bit. When I first tried shooting at 300, I was about 4-6" lower than I expected. Others told me the velocity I was expecting wasn't really that high. I dont have a chrony, but I should get one.
03-02-2008, 07:47 PM
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
ORIGINAL: hossdaniels
Something about those numbers chap, from the reports I've heard they are about 100-150 fps high. As blackpowder shooters we are all aware how manufacter's push the truth a little bit. When I first tried shooting at 300, I was about 4-6" lower than I expected. Others told me the velocity I was expecting wasn't really that high. I dont have a chrony, but I should get one.
Something about those numbers chap, from the reports I've heard they are about 100-150 fps high. As blackpowder shooters we are all aware how manufacter's push the truth a little bit. When I first tried shooting at 300, I was about 4-6" lower than I expected. Others told me the velocity I was expecting wasn't really that high. I dont have a chrony, but I should get one.
03-03-2008, 01:53 AM
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
In my savage I have shot a other powders but these are all I have in my notes at hand that have chrono's facts for more then just one or 2 testings.
250gr SST/SW/XTP's
43.5gr 4759 - 2330fps Ave.(1" groups)
43.5gr VV110 - 2337fps Ave. (2" groups)
44gr 5744 - 2091fps Ave. (1.5" groups)
250gr Barnes MZ 43gr 4759 2300 (1.5" groups)
300gr SST/XTP
43gr 4759 - 2190 Ave 2" groups
68.5gr H4198 - 2300 Ave
70gr H4198 - 2390 Ave
(both H4198 loads get your attention when you light then off. In my case the recoil just isn't worth the performance. I shoot for groups and my groups suffered when i shot off a pod or sand bags with H4198. I have had a few shoulder operations, having to swilldrugs and need ice just isn't as appealing as it once was for me.
Though the accuracy potential certainly was there so if you don't mind the boot it may be the powder for you with 300 class bullets.)
Savage is a fine shooter its been interesting/fun but just like every ML I have owned it has its quirks and makes you scratch your head. I am actually planning to get a new toy this year. My plans for the savage are to stay with 4759 as the propellant and 250class bullets.
250gr SST/SW/XTP's
43.5gr 4759 - 2330fps Ave.(1" groups)
43.5gr VV110 - 2337fps Ave. (2" groups)
44gr 5744 - 2091fps Ave. (1.5" groups)
250gr Barnes MZ 43gr 4759 2300 (1.5" groups)
300gr SST/XTP
43gr 4759 - 2190 Ave 2" groups
68.5gr H4198 - 2300 Ave
70gr H4198 - 2390 Ave
(both H4198 loads get your attention when you light then off. In my case the recoil just isn't worth the performance. I shoot for groups and my groups suffered when i shot off a pod or sand bags with H4198. I have had a few shoulder operations, having to swilldrugs and need ice just isn't as appealing as it once was for me.
Though the accuracy potential certainly was there so if you don't mind the boot it may be the powder for you with 300 class bullets.)Savage is a fine shooter its been interesting/fun but just like every ML I have owned it has its quirks and makes you scratch your head. I am actually planning to get a new toy this year. My plans for the savage are to stay with 4759 as the propellant and 250class bullets.
03-03-2008, 06:45 AM
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
ORIGINAL: skeeter 7MM
In my savage I have shot a other powders but these are all I have in my notes at hand that have chrono's facts for more then just one or 2 testings.
250gr SST/SW/XTP's
43.5gr 4759 - 2330fps Ave.(1" groups)
43.5gr VV110 - 2337fps Ave. (2" groups)
44gr 5744 - 2091fps Ave. (1.5" groups)
250gr Barnes MZ 43gr 4759 2300 (1.5" groups)
300gr SST/XTP
43gr 4759 - 2190 Ave 2" groups
68.5gr H4198 - 2300 Ave
70gr H4198 - 2390 Ave
(both H4198 loads get your attention when you light then off. In my case the recoil just isn't worth the performance. I shoot for groups and my groups suffered when i shot off a pod or sand bags with H4198. I have had a few shoulder operations, having to swilldrugs and need ice just isn't as appealing as it once was for me. Though the accuracy potential certainly was there so if you don't mind the boot it may be the powder for you with 300 class bullets.)
Savage is a fine shooter its been interesting/fun but just like every ML I have owned it has its quirks and makes you scratch your head. I am actually planning to get a new toy this year. My plans for the savage are to stay with 4759 as the propellant and 250class bullets.
In my savage I have shot a other powders but these are all I have in my notes at hand that have chrono's facts for more then just one or 2 testings.
250gr SST/SW/XTP's
43.5gr 4759 - 2330fps Ave.(1" groups)
43.5gr VV110 - 2337fps Ave. (2" groups)
44gr 5744 - 2091fps Ave. (1.5" groups)
250gr Barnes MZ 43gr 4759 2300 (1.5" groups)
300gr SST/XTP
43gr 4759 - 2190 Ave 2" groups
68.5gr H4198 - 2300 Ave
70gr H4198 - 2390 Ave
(both H4198 loads get your attention when you light then off. In my case the recoil just isn't worth the performance. I shoot for groups and my groups suffered when i shot off a pod or sand bags with H4198. I have had a few shoulder operations, having to swilldrugs and need ice just isn't as appealing as it once was for me.
Though the accuracy potential certainly was there so if you don't mind the boot it may be the powder for you with 300 class bullets.)Savage is a fine shooter its been interesting/fun but just like every ML I have owned it has its quirks and makes you scratch your head. I am actually planning to get a new toy this year. My plans for the savage are to stay with 4759 as the propellant and 250class bullets.
03-03-2008, 08:09 AM
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RE: Homework--Barnes Origonal 300g, different sabots, 44g of AA 5744
I use the barne's originals 300 grain ssin my Savage and they shoot great, Its the only bullet that I will ever use. I believe that the original is a very tough bullet and you have to push them. I shot several deer and never recovered a bullet. All pass thru's. I am very fortunate in that I purchased several lifetimes of these bullets when they were relatively cheap 
I use 60 grains of N120 with an orange sabot. That is a stout load tho.
Redclub
I use 60 grains of N120 with an orange sabot. That is a stout load tho.Redclub
