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Old 03-01-2008 | 10:24 AM
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I kind of like this one and have a camo scope put on it as well..KRB07N
I kind of like this one, but what kind of barrel is it? Blued/stainless???And how do you take care of the external barrel. Is is painted, etc?I can't find anything that says one way or another. It is also $130 more than the blued barrel.
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Old 03-09-2008 | 11:29 AM
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Shop> Shooting Gear> Black Powder> Rifles> You are here:Thompson/Center Triumph .50 Caliber Rifles


Thompson/Center Triumph .50 Caliber Rifles


I am going to get 4 of these boys toys with scopes and all......Cabelas said they would sell me 4 and the 4th one at half price...You do you think? Is it worth it or not....
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Old 03-09-2008 | 11:31 AM
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Old 03-09-2008 | 12:13 PM
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I have a Triumph, all camo, no complaints here! Your sons should be grateful, way to go dad!
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Old 03-09-2008 | 01:33 PM
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Ok,heres the deal.I'm looking into buying each of my sons a new
inline rifle for the early season in PA..So I am talking 4 rifles now.

Of all the brands and makes out there,which do you all think is
the best,eaisest to load,easiest to clean,most accurate and one
that will shoot just about anything you feed it...Will be wanting
to scope each one as well...I have plenty of Goex 2 F on hand,so
there is no need to be searching for powder to use...Thanks
Read this article before you spend any money:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/inline_choices.htm

Here is the bottom line from that article by Randy D. Smith.

The Final Measure
I have a problem with many drop action in-lines currently on the market. When compared to the graceful designs and overall appearance of the Ruger #1, Winchester 1885, or even some of the break action single shots, the new drop action muzzleloaders have all the classic lines and artistic appeal of a cinder block. Only the Knight Revolution, the newest of the drop actions, manages to create some semblance of an appealing 19th Century design, which is further enhanced by solid metal components. Beauty, I suppose, is in the eye of the beholder and there are many that will disagree. But, in spite of some strong opposition to my views, I must cling to the idea that most of the drop actions are just plain homely.
Some of the old plunger style in-lines are far more attractive. Examples such as the original Super 91 White, the top end MK-85 laminated stock and T/C System One walnut stock rifles were much more graceful and visually stunning. These three rifles are destined to become true collector's items and even now command high resale values.
If a working man with limited funds wants a muzzleloader for once-a-year deer hunting it is difficult to justify paying over $400 when a perfectly acceptable plunger style muzzleloading rifle can be had for less than $160. Because of marketing fads there are a lot of nice plunger style rifles on the used market at some very attractive prices. Some of these rifles haven't been used for more than one or two seasons.
Once the advertised velocity claims are brushed aside in favor of realistic performance expectations a different picture appears. A hunter with a plunger or bolt action style .50 caliber in-line with a 22" to 24" barrel using a #11 percussion system and a moderate load of powder propellant will find that he can go to the field with an accurate, dependable and powerful rifle capable of doing anything a .44 Magnum or .45-70 centerfire rifle can do.
I have seen some groups shot from rifles like the Traditions Buckhunter Pro, T/C Thunderhawk, White Model 97, Knight Wolverine, Remington Model 700ML and CVA Hunterbolt that will match any production rifle on earth at 100 yards. I am usually hesitant to convert a #11 rifle to a 209 system because the #11 percussion cap is very good in rifles that were designed for it, often far better than the 209 conversion will be. A musket cap conversion is usually much more practical and just as effective as the 209 system in these rifles.
Almost no one is offering a new #11 percussion system in-line today because of the popularity of the 209 ignition system. If it is nothing else the 209 ignition system is hot and almost eliminates hang-fires and misfires. When I go on expensive out-of-state big game hunting trips I always take a 209 or musket cap system rifle.
When you are trudging through a heavy wet snow on a Colorado elk hunt or chopping through humid jungle on a Florida buffalo hunt there is something comforting about having a 209 primer in the ignition system of your muzzleloader. However, I am under no illusions concerning accuracy. A good, older in-line or even side hammer will shoot just as straight and hit every bit as hard.
If you prefer a bolt action inline then by all means give them a good look. There is no better inline on the market than the Knight DISC, and bolt actions like the CVA Firebolt 209 Magnum, Remington 700 ML, Savage 10ML-II, Traditions Evolution, and White Thunderbolt can provide a lifetime of superior shooting. Generally they handle just like the bolt rifle in your closet, and that can be an advantage for many hunters.
The break actions and drop actions allow for full utilization of the 209 primer with few of the disadvantages. A man on a tight budget should give the break actions a strong consideration if he wants a 209 gun. A moderately priced CVA Optima or Traditions Pursuit is difficult to beat for the investment. I wouldn't give up my Pursuit Pro to pay the difference required to move up to many of the drop action rifles.
CVA's Kodiak and Thompson/Center's Omega have proven to be very popular and have strong customer support. The Thompson/Center Encore and Knight Revolution are top of the line rifles capable of hunting anything in any part of the world.
It all depends upon how much you want to spend and how much performance you feel you need from your muzzleloader. Just understand that the difference is often composed more of advertising hype than reality. You may not need to spend those extra dollars for rifles that will do only a little better.



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Old 03-09-2008 | 01:38 PM
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I would call some of the Sportsman's Warehouses here and there and try to locate some of those stainless/black KRB7s for 265.

Store locator at SportsmansWarehouse.com
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Old 03-09-2008 | 02:30 PM
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We made up my mind,next week end weather permiting,i'm going to hamburg,pa..and will come back with the 4 rifles and scopes...Maybe I can brib the boys to cut next winters wood for me....If my daughter hunted I would have to get 5 of them rifles...I am going to let them get their own bullets,lol.....There goes the wifes new washer-dryer money....Oh well... 4 newtrimuphs is better than nothing......I called and they have them and will hold for me...
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Old 03-09-2008 | 03:25 PM
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Wel, I dont think you could do any better. I have so many muzzle loaders my wife thinks I am collecting the and while some of the Knights and the Omega are excellant shootersthey dont shoot any better than the Triumph and for me the the handiness and the ability to clean so quick when I am in a hurry which is often really is a superb benifit. Now when you get the chance pick up some Black Horn 209 so far it has proved to be an excellant combineation, work best with a really snug sabot fit this gives quite a bit higher velocity. Lee
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Old 03-09-2008 | 04:54 PM
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Johnny if ya like the triumphs then you got a good deal. Good luck with the new rifles and getting your wood put up
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Old 03-09-2008 | 06:48 PM
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We made up my mind,next week end weather permiting,i'm going to hamburg,pa..and will come back with the 4 rifles and scopes...Maybe I can brib the boys to cut next winters wood for me....If my daughter hunted I would have to get 5 of them rifles...I am going to let them get their own bullets,lol.....There goes the wifes new washer-dryer money....Oh well... 4 newtrimuphs is better than nothing......I called and they have them and will hold for me...
I would have gone to Ackley's in Westfield Pa, and made a deal on the 4 rifles, since your not far from them. They carry about everything. Chap Gleason
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