Disc Extreme, Omega or Triumph
 

I'm looking to buy another muzzy. I just bought the KRB and I've had to send it back to Knight because the hammer is notsetting off the 209's. This gun is only about 3 weeks old. Oh well. I want to know what everybody opinions are on these 3 choices. I'm strictly looking for a sabot shooter dont need another conical shooter. Please tell me what your decision would be between these 3. My first cocern is accuracy. I'm also really looking to shoot mostly XTP's since I cant afford to spend a buck a bullet. I know each gun is different but with all the info on these guns which one would you choose? Thanks bdeather

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That isn't a fair Question for me to answer I am a Knight Man I love the DiscExtreme I have 2- .45cal & 2 - .50cal And 1 .50cal on the Classifieds for sale.
I shoot the 44cal 300gr XTP / 300gr Speer JSP / 300gr Sierra JSP all with the Harvester Crush Rib Sabot with 95gr loose 2fg 777 and all bullets will hold a 1" shot group @ 100yds All day long, I also shoot the .504 Bullshop Conicals with same Accuracy Seems like No matter what I put down the PIPE it shoots great.
I also have the KRB7 and it shoots Awsome Also!!!

BUT I have to say my First Choise - (1)Extreme (2) - Tryuph (3) Omega

I would go and Shoulder all 3 and see witch one feels the best to you !!!

Ron

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That is a hard question.. all of them are going to be good sabot shooters. The Omega and the Triumph have the newer technology and I have been told are easier to clean. I do not own them I do have a disc rifle. I never saw a problem cleaning it. But then the Omega and Extreme are time proven performers. I would think the best thing would be see which ones fit you the best, and then look for deals. There have been some good deals on Extremes on some of the forums I go to..

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To be honest....I should be VP of Marketing for Knight Rifles....I think Knights are better than Omegas, T/C just has a better Marketing Dept...

With a ML rifle accuracy should be your #1 objective, I certainly agree with this...

1) Knight has a Green Mountain barrel, best in the business...
2) Knight has an adjustable trigger which is imperative for accurate shooting....Not so with T/C...
3) I actually love the Disc or Disc Extreme system...It gives you something to put those dang little 209s into so you can handly the dang things..
4) T/C barrels are too tight, look at all the threads on how hard it is to load the Shockwaves and the reason for Superglide sabots etc...

I have sighted in and fine tuned several Knights for friends and have never had any problems getting them to group inside of one inch at 100 yards...

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I would pick the Triumph, but I have never owned one (yet ;)).
I have owned an Omega, and it was very accurate with a variety of bullet/sabot combos, but the triumph should be easier to clean, and cleaner to shoot.
Not wanting to offend, or start any arguments, but my most recent Knights I've ownedhaven't been the quality of the older models I've owned, and my last dealings with Knight's customer service didn't satisfy my expectations. Trivial problem with screws that were too long, but "just file 'em down" wasn't the answer I expected!

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Like Indiana SmokePole,I have my brand preferance, I have 22 guns and 16 of them are muzzle loaders [which I am supposed to be getting rid of a few of according to the wife ] of which 7 are TC and 3 are inlines [ I sold my Thunderhawks] and I have to say thet no other one compares well to the Triumph it is the most comfortableto use as accurate as any and theonly one I have ever had that has no blow back so that to field clean it I only need to clean the barrel and the breach plug. The are lots of fine guns available I have two close freinds that shoot Knights and one that shoots an Omega, they will all shoot under 1.5 inch groups. I still shoot all my other guns including my original under hammer and my Hawkencopied Ioff an original.I believe it best to handle loadshoot and cleanthe guns you are thinking about buying then buy the one you are most comfortable with. Lee

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I have owned 2 Omega's, and three Encore(MZ Barrels), a half dozen Knight rifles. I have shot dozen's of both brands. I would go with the Knight. OH YA I DID. At most it takes two minutes more to clean the Knight. The Omega's are real shooter's but they are ultra finicky. Tom.



KNIGHT, KNIGHT

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I have a Knight Disc (not an extreme, but an origonal disc) and I have an Omega, I don't have the triumph, but it is an upgraded Omega, so it is going to shoot about the same as the Omega. I wanted accuracy also, so I bought a Savage 10ML. It will shoot 1 to 1.5" groups out of the box, you can shoot smokeless and only clean your gun at the end of the season not every time you shoot. You can shoot powders that give MV of 2400, 2500 and even 2700 fps no problem. Some hot rodders shoot 2900 and 3000 loads, but that is NOT common---they gun will shoot 200 yards accurate no problem, some hot rodders shoot their consistently to 300 and have 4" groups. They are accurate, great trigger adjustable down to 1.5 lbs and guaranteed to shoot 1.5" or less at 100 yards with an XTP and 5744 powder. They only cost $550 for a Stainless Steel tupperware stock model. This is a group I shot with TC Shockwaves the 3rd time I shot the gun, this was at 92.5 yards, 300g SW, 44g 5744 powder supplied sabot with SW. So I recommend a Savage with a thumbhole stock (beautiful gun) for an accurate MLer.
Chap Gleason

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I'm another satistied savage shooter, but of the ones you mentioned the knight would likely be the best shooter, and a little harder to clean.(another reason to go smokeless)

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Here is my take on the Knight's... let me say from the start that I like the Knight Disc rifles,I think they are a sweet looking gun. However, I owned a Knight Disc Elite this summer that I was not all that impressed with. Even with the domed breech plugI got alot of blow back,,, the gun shot about 1 3/4" at 100 yards but it was hot this summer when I did my shooting so I'm sure it would do better,,, clean up was not all that bad but the blow back on my scope bothered me,,, I did like the red disc's for ease of loading and weather resistance,,, the ram rod is very cheap feeling,,, the trigger was avery nice crisp 3 lbs set by knight for $8. All that being said, I like my TC's a heck of alot better... loaded with the max 150 grain load, my Omega shot circles around the Knight and was much easier to clean.The TC Pro Hunter is very expensive but is in a class by it's self... super easy to clean and mine isshooting 5/8" at 100 yards. In the end go for youself and handle these guns and see which one you like the best, they are all very good...:)

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I say hands down the Omega.

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I appreciate everybodys responses. I went by Sportsmans Warehouse today and handled all three rifles. I own 6 muzzys so I know a fair amount about the sport. I have to say after holding all three the Triumph feels the best. The way it is designed it feels alot lighter than the Omega. I've heard that the Triumph also has a better barrel to stock fit than the Omega. I've read alot of complaints about the problems people are having with that and they are having to bed their rifles. The Extreme also felt good and I really like the solid stock. I know their reputation for accuracy is awsome. Does anybody know if the Extreme they sell from finfeatherfuroutfitters comes with both the disc and regular 209 primer setup? Also what is the difference between the regular disc and the extreme? Sorry for all the questions. It looks like it will come down between the Extreme and Triumph. Keep the suggestions and comments coming. Thanks bdeather.

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I can't speakfor the other rifles, but I just bought a Triumph and really like it. I wanted something that was simple to operate, of good quality, and of course a good shooter. I did the same and went to the gun stores and handled different rifles, butsomething kept taking me back to the Triumph. I have been tuning on it andhave groups touching at 100 yards. I guess youcan call me a satisfied Triumph owner!

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The original Disc had a 24" barrel and used the orange round disc. The extreme has a 26" barrel and uses the red full plastic jacket. If pick a Knight I would go with the extreme, I really like the way the bolt loads and unloads the 209 Disc... but you are on the right track with the Triumph. I would wager the TC will shoot as good a 100 yard group as the Knight if not better and will be ten times easier to clean.

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You say accuracy is your #1 concern. If that is true, I would eliminate any break-action rifles. Can they be accurate? Yes they can. But what are you going to do about it if the gun is not quite up to par? You can't bed it. You can't install pillars. There is PLENTY of info out there of the frustration people have had trying to accurize Encores.

I have heard some very good things about Knights, without even owning one (I own two Omegas) I would guess they shoot a wider variety of bullets well. I will admit an Omega can be picky. But not only did my Omegas shoot well out of the box, but when I accurized it I ended up with one tack-driving ML.

I like the simplicity and cleaning of the Omega. I do not own, but have heard, that Knights are not as good in that department. I think it comes down to your personal preference between the two. But if accuracy really is your #1 concern, I'd stay away from break actions.

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Well no one mentioned the NEF Sidekick. It may be alower priced gun, butI wouldput up mySidekickagainst all the others -any time. It will shoot sabots thebest, but willshoot anythingyou can shovedown the barrel. My first love is my Investarms Hawkens sportized Carbine .54 cal.of course!

JMHO and .02 cents. ;)

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Traditons has a new model out, Its called the XLT Extreme, has some kind of stuff in the stock that reduces felt recoil by 75% i think. Not to sure about that, I was doped up on meds when the commercial came on:D

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spaniel I have also heard about people sometimes having problems with break actions. I have an Optima that is a break action that will shoot with any Omega or any other muzzy. But I also read and have heard from people who actually own the Triumph who are getting moa groups from their rifles. Just like I hear and read alot about the problems people are having with the barrel to stock fit on the Omegas which can have a negative effect on accuracy. I have nothing against the Omega I just like how the Triumph feels. I own plenty of accurate muzzys. I have 3 whites and I can guarantee with a big conical their isnt another rifle out there as accurate as these three. I'm just looking for something different but I still want an accurate rifle. From everything I've read and heard first hand it sounds like the Triumph will fit this bill.

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GET THE TRIUMPH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Just gotan extreme from finfeatherfur, SWEET. It only comes the the FRJ breach plug. Taking it to the range this weekend to see fit it shoots as good as it looks.