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Need new ML, got some questions
I am looking into a new ML this year. I have tentatively decided on a knight inline because they are quickly adaptable to legality in all 50 states, as well as having a superb reputation. I also looked at White ML's.
Is there any advantage to having a .52 over a .50? Does the Knight LRH, with a barrel length of 27" make a substantial difference over their normal 26" barrel length? Which projectile/powder combinations make for the most accurate long range shooting (personal opinions based upon experience please)? If you have answered the question above, where do you sight your gun in with respect to a 100yd zero, and what is your drop at 250yds. To date, I have shot and hunted with my .50 cal hawken-style rifle and a .44 cal. pennsylvania I inherited. I have not shot a lot, and have not shot any of them for about 3 years now. Typically, I have hunted using 350+/- gr TC maxiballs and pyrodex powder. 75 yds was my longest kill shot. I am looking forward to getting an inline, and participating/learning about some of the newer ideas/products in the sport. Help if you can. Thanks, Dan |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
Go with the 50. Just take a look at places that sell supplysfor Muzzle loaders and see how scares 52cal stuff is.
:) Al |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
Problem with the .52 cal is MMP doesn't make sabots for that cal. And I don't see any other choices over using the Knight bullets/sabots. Plenty of .475, .50 bullets--but no sabots to shoot them with.
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RE: Need new ML, got some questions
Okay, so .52 stuff is hard to come by with respect to variety, but theremust be some reason it was designed for over the .50. Or maybe not?
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RE: Need new ML, got some questions
bigger hole for elk hunting... I'd get one if someone would produce sabots for it but I think it's doomed unless that happens...
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RE: Need new ML, got some questions
I think it was an experiment by Knight to reinvent the wheel with little success. The .50 will do everything the .52 will within reasonable conditions. I would look seriously at the KRB. I just bought one and it is a sweet well designed rifle. Just a little heavy and the stock is set up for a scope making the iron sights a little hard to get down on. White rifles are great but only available secondhand or on some old stock shelf somewhere. They are basically out of business. I bought a few used and most are in good shape but it is a gamble. I have one stainlessWhite 97 Whitetail Hunter I would consider selling but it is onlya 24inch barrel and you seem to think you wanta longer barrel. PM me if interested at [email protected]
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RE: Need new ML, got some questions
Okay guys, I'm pretty sure a .50 is the answer then.:D
Any takers on my other questions? Dan |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
I think you'll find what you need at Toby Bridges web site:
http://www.hpmuzzleloading.com/MMLHome.html Stuff on the LRH, load info, review on the .52, etc... |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
ORIGINAL: eatsleephunt Does the Knight LRH, with a barrel length of 27" make a substantial difference over their normal 26" barrel length? Which projectile/powder combinations make for the most accurate long range shooting (personal opinions based upon experience please)? If you have answered the question above, where do you sight your gun in with respect to a 100yd zero, and what is your drop at 250yds. Only your rifle will tell...I like 250gr T/C Shockwaves w/ 130gr RS in my Omega. With a 130gr charge of RS and a 250gr Shockwave, sight 3" high at 100, be about 15" low at 250. |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
eatsleephunt
As far as the .52cal over the .50cal no advantages at all , .52cal Very hard to find supplys - Bullets ECT. you will have to special order every thing or buy it directly through Knight. .50cal Supplys every were Bullets you can buy in bulk (cheeper ) sabots MMP or Harvester every were ! Glad to here you are thinking about a Knight Rifle they are IMO the Best for Both worlds ( saboted Bullets & Conicals ) I own several knights and all of them will shoot 1" shot groups @100 yds I have 4 Disc Extrems 2 -.45cal 2 -.50cal I also have a new KRB7 wich is very fast becoming my favorite goto gun WHY I is one of the most simple guns I have ever owned Easy Cleaning Very Very Accurate I shoot a BullShop Custom Conical bullet in my KRB7 ( .504 460gr NEX & a 443gr .504 U C Short with a over the powder wad and 85gr 2fg loose 777 powder) I have also shot Saboted Bullets over 95gr of 777 powder with supper accuracy. The only way that you are going to be able to tell what your gun is going to like as far as a powder charge & bullets is to just start experaminting with differant ones. If I were you I would look VERY VERY hard at the Disc Extreme & the KRB7 both are super Guns and alot cheeper than the LRH ! |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
eatsleephunt
This will be the best deal you will ever find go to www.finfeatherfuroutfitters.com click on muzzleloader guns they have a .50cal Knight Disc Extreme SS Fluted barrle for $239.00 Ron |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
I bought a new LRH last year. I have a good friend who got rid of his Encore and bought one also.
I am not sure if the barrel length makes a big difference-I just do not know. I do know how my rifle shoots. I shoot 130 grains of loose 3F-777. The bullet I shot was the Barne's TMZ(Blue Tipped). I can keep the rifle inside a 1 inch black circle at 100 yards. Most of the shots are inside out. This rifle is a keeper. It is a bit heavy, but that does not bother me. IT is not nearly as heavy as my Sharp's. It takes about two additional minutes to clean because you need to clean the bolt. The trigger is fantastic. I do not like the cheeeeezzzzzzy fiber optic sights. I use the Leupold 4.5X14 power scope with the B&C reticle. The top crosshair is dead on at 100 yards. First crosshair down is two inches high at 150 yards. The second crosshair down is 2 inches high at 200 yards. I have shot the rifle at longer distance, but not enough to have details. My friend shot a beautiful 10 point at 225 yards with his in IL. The deer ran about 60 yards, and flopped over. It was a great shot. Buy one, you will not be sorry. I think the guy's here are going to think I work for Knight.:D:D:D:D:D  |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
ORIGINAL: HEAD0001 I bought a new LRH last year. I have a good friend who got rid of his Encore and bought one also. I am not sure if the barrel length makes a big difference-I just do not know. I do know how my rifle shoots. I shoot 130 grains of loose 3F-777. The bullet I shot was the Barne's TMZ(Blue Tipped). I can keep the rifle inside a 1 inch black circle at 100 yards. Most of the shots are inside out. This rifle is a keeper. It is a bit heavy, but that does not bother me. IT is not nearly as heavy as my Sharp's. It takes about two additional minutes to clean because you need to clean the bolt. The trigger is fantastic. I do not like the cheeeeezzzzzzy fiber optic sights. I use the Leupold 4.5X14 power scope with the B&C reticle. The top crosshair is dead on at 100 yards. First crosshair down is two inches high at 150 yards. The second crosshair down is 2 inches high at 200 yards. I have shot the rifle at longer distance, but not enough to have details. My friend shot a beautiful 10 point at 225 yards with his in IL. The deer ran about 60 yards, and flopped over. It was a great shot. I shot two does with mine this year. Both shots were about 60 yards, one deer fell over dead, and the other deer did a 75 yard death run. A friend of mine shot one with my rifle at 125 yards. He hit it a bit high in the back, It fell straight down. Buy one, you will not be sorry. I think the guy's here are going to think I work for Knight.:D:D:D:D:D
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RE: Need new ML, got some questions
how about a Knight 54-120 $389 with SS barrel;)
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RE: Need new ML, got some questions
This should be the Elite model--no sights with a fluted barrel. Just ordered one. Great price.
Thanks for the link Ron, Doug ORIGINAL: Indiana SmokePole eatsleephunt This will be the best deal you will ever find go to www.finfeatherfuroutfitters.com click on muzzleloader guns they have a .50cal Knight Disc Extreme SS Fluted barrle for $239.00 Ron |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
I bought one there. It is the extreme model. I know most of the extremes did not have fluted barrels but this batch does and they do have open sights. I hope to shoot mine tomorrow.
Art btw the people there seemed nice and the shipping was prompt |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
ORIGINAL: flounder33 I bought one there. It is the extreme model. I know most of the extremes did not have fluted barrels but this batch does and they do have open sights. I hope to shoot mine tomorrow. Art btw the people there seemed nice and the shipping was prompt |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
I have not owned a disc elite but if you do a search you will see a lot of positive comments about it. The disc elite does not have open sights and it has a different kind of lug that the stock attaches to. I think it is more of a floating barrel than the disc extreme. I'm sure others can tell you more than me.
I thought it sounded like a great deal on the disc exteme so I bought one. Another factor is that in Minnesota we have to use open sights duringmuzzie season so it didn't make a lot of sense to buy one without them. Art |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
You guys are welcome Hell I wish I needed Another one But my wife would have my head because I have 4 Extremes and 1 is still in the box I havent even shot yet it is a Blued barrle that I gave $345.00 for , O well !!!
Ron |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
thank you ron but I bought mine about 3 and a half weeks ago :D:D:D
Ron, you know a lot more than I about the knight rifles, Did they make many of the 50 caliber disc extremes with fluted barrels? art |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
Probably not going to be a popular opinion, but I would look at the T/C Triumph .50 seriously before i invested.
Sorry to say it, but I've owned a lot of T/Cs and a lot of Knights, and the T/C wins on accuracy & customer service. Probaby a lot of conflicting stories to mine, but I'm just speaking from personal experience. When I call customer service because the screws furnished with a set of sights are too long I don't expect to be told, "Just file 'em off.", and that was what happened on my last call to Knight. |
RE: Need new ML, got some questions
I have a .50 cal Knight LRH and I've been shooting 110 gr 3f T7 weighed charge and a 250 gr Blastic extrean bullet. This combination has worked great for me with 1 ragged hole groups at 100 yards. Thay are great rifles and extreamly accurate. As far as barrel length I can't reallysay as I havent cronoghaphed mine yet,but I don't believe an inch difference would be that big of a difference. I owned a CVA prior to my Knight and there is no comparison. You've made a great choise --Good Luck
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