100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

I dont do much muzzleloading and where I live most shots are usually 100 yds or less. I normally shoot 100 grains of american pioneer powder and line up about an inch high at 50 yds. I leave for Ohio on Wednesday and the shots are going to be much longer and I was hoping to get to where my CVA Kodiak was shooting well out past 150 yds. Im not too experienced with a muzzleloader and was wondering if 100 grains was enough to shoot at that distance or will it require 150. For some reason, most of my hunting buddies believe that if you shoot 150 grains of powder, alot of the powder doesnt even ignite till its out of the barrel. Help me out fellas!

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

Well, if you don't even know if your rifle will group as well with 150 as with 100 then you sure don't need to be hunting with it...Just adding more powder does not mean you can hit what you are shooting at....

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

Before the introduction of the Magnum rifles, the old inlines used to shoot 100 grains all the time and do the same distance shooting they are doing now. White tail deer are not that hard to penetrate. If you have an accurate load with 100 grains and a good bullet, and can place your shots, there really is no need for the 150 grains of powder. I shoot loose powder and my favorite load is 110 grains of Triple Se7en 2f and a Nosler 260 grain Partition out of my Knight Disc. I would have no doubt that with that.. 200 yards would be a possible shot, IF I PRACTICED MORE AND WAS SURE OF MY ABILITIES.

What bullet are you shooting? Have you ever tried to shoot 150 yards and see if you can place your shots?

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

i only use 80 grains pyrodex p and a 225 grain powerbelt and am only 4" low @ 150 yards. The bullet still packs a big punch for that distance and with only 80 grains.

Just remember that a 45-70 used a 405 grain bullet with only 70 grains blackpowder and would kill a Bison out to 200-300 yards.

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

If 150gr groups just as well as 100, then use it. I prefer more powder for longer distance shooting. Improved energy andtrajectory.Remember, practice first...and if you're using pellets, toss thosepieces of **** out and get some loose powder so youdon't have to experiment in 50gr intervals :D.

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

Perhaps a little different approach would get you the best results. I suggest that for long range accuracy is the most important componant to get that you need to pick a good bullet and sabot that will hold 2 inch groups at 100yds as for the powder load get loose powder and shoot groups with it every 10 gr untill the group opens up over two inches then lay your targets out in front of you it wont be hard to tell what load is best. Lee
Also sight in 2 inches high at 100yds and chek your drop at your max range when you find that best load, this has worked well for me with all mine.

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

I think a little differently I guess.Based on yourownwordsin the first paragraph of the post3 days isn't long enough to get accustom to being able to shoot further then your use to...little alone change things up. Not meaning to be rude but I spend a lot time shooting past the conventional 100 yard target board and even still their are factors that I consider prior to even thinking about flipping the safety. The BC of ML bullets causes for steep trajectory changes in even perfect conditions not to mention factprings additional parameters such as ambient temp changes, humidty and wind!

BTW adding powder isn't the answer. It may work but it may not, accuracy is still number one in my books with it comes condifence and then it is just practice to be able to use it in your situation.

I would stick with what you know and if it means not taking the shot this time...that's huntin'!!;)

Good Luck

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

100g is all you need, your buddies are right. As for shooting 150 yards, about any bullet will do that fine if you sight in 3" high at 100 yards, in that way your shooting thru a 6" pipe from 0 to about 180 yards with a 300g bullet like a Nosler Partition. Use a strong bullet at 100g of powder.
Chap Gleason

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

Maybe I should have been more specific. I have probably taken 5 deer with a muzzleloader all 100 yds or less, and maybe 25 with a rifle, so i am experienced in regards to shooting a scoped firearm. I am a good shot. However, I am not experienced when it comes to powder grainage and loads and that part ofmuzzleloading. I am not just going to load up mykodiak and go to the woods. I leave Thursday and havefrom now until then to find something that worksout to 150+ yds. Thank you all for your help and I'll let you knowwhat I find is working in my gun...from what ya'll have said, 100 grains should be plenty for what i need.

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

I was just on the Hodgdon website and was suprised to see that their max load recommendation for their tripple seven 50 grain powder pellets was two pellets or 100grains of powder.

Do any of the these company's recommend using 150 grains? From what I have read it seems there are more negatives than positives when goingto that highof apowder charge.

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

If you have only practiced to 100 yards only shoot to 100!!! There is no magic recipe for shooting....I shoot mine out to 225, that dont even mean i would shoot it that far...I shoot 110 grains of loose T7in my 45 Disc elite shoot it regularly from 25 - 225 yards. My maximum hunting range is 200 yards.Hunt some cover in Ohio and you will be fine!!

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

With APP powder your velocity will probably fall in the 1500 to 1600 fps range depending on the bullet. With a 250 to 300 grain bullet you should sight in between 2.5 and 3 inches high at 100 yards to have a point blank rangeto about 150 yards, maybe a bit further. Please verify on the range and shoot at variousdistances to get a feel for the trajectory and your comfort level before you shoot at game over what your use to. Good luck on your hunt.

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

Sorry but I stand by my original statement 3 or 4 days isn't long enough. Onereason I say this is you seem to be wanting more then a 150 yards (as youstate 150+yards). Now if your meaning you'd like to add 50 yards to your comfort zone that is possible as the trajectory changes from 100 to 150 are not nearly as stark as they are from 150 to 200. 150 is a realistic goal for most shooters, 200 is doable but requires more practice then 72 allows...IMHO.

Good luck

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

I stumbled on a site that I thought was pretty neet and very infomative. This site should answer all our questions, or at least get us started in the right direction. The site is "BigGameinfo". When you get there hit on "ballistics calculator." Plug in the information that you have knowledge of on your bullet and the calculator will do the rest. The more you use the chart and play with the information that you are supplying, you can start to realize your bullet height at certain yardages and what you need to be sited in at to achieve your optimal "max point blank range." Of course ther is no substitue for range time.

RE: 100 grains vs. 150 grains
 

That is correct, 100g is plenty. If you switch to loose instead of APP sticks, that can help your accuracy also by "working up a load" for a given bullet. Most guns have a sweet point where they give the best accuracy for a given weight of bullet, that may be 90g for your gun with your bullet. I would not experiment this year because 2 days is too close, but after the season. Get some loose APP 3F and start experimenting what shoots best in your rfile. Read the manual, they usually tell you accurate loads and projectiles for your gun. I used the "book loads" in my new Savage 10ML to sight it in, once I was comfortable with shooting he gun, and getting good accuracy with book loads I started switching bullets and sabots. You gotta tune these rifles for best accuracy.
Chap Gleason