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corey012778 12-21-2007 05:37 PM

GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
No miss, no freeze up, no glar, and the only problem I have. I gotta make some deer steaks:D

I went out after I got off work, worked over and had to go to the bank, set up in my "hunting partners" stand, still in my work cloths, raw beef, chicken and pork smell,

Lined my scope up, BOOM, started cussing thought I missed, it ran closer to me, reloaded in less the 30 secs (not bad, for someone that has not worked on that). THOUGHT it was a another deer put it in my crosshairs, BOOM. watched it flop around and run. claimed down. looked, too dark to find any blood trail. grabbed my head lamp. went in to a farm that I can not hunt. found a the doe I shot. My uncle came up and help me get it back to the house. Cleaned it up, found 2 SETS of bullet holes in it. both where lung shots NO MEAT HIT AT ALL.

I am going to change bullets next year, I want some blood trail. I got lucky I found it.

Knight usak
85 grs pyrodex p
.430 240gr xtp
tasco bucksight 3-9 x 40
#11

I am hoping to have some picks later.

I got some corn feed, hay feed, apple feed, barly feed, meat on the table.



oldrookie 12-21-2007 05:51 PM

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Congrats!

cayugad 12-21-2007 06:03 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
Well with that load and XTP you must have had some massive internal damage to the lung area... I am surprised it managed to run all that far. But Congratulations. How far away was it from you when you shot? I take it you had no pass through?

I bet it feels good to have taken a deer with the muzzleloader... Again, congratulations. I knew you'd do it because you never gave up..!!!

corey012778 12-21-2007 06:16 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
first one (I thought it was a miss), about 50 to 75 yrds, pass throught bullet did not expand [:@] entrence and exit the same did not hit any ribs, second, <25 yrds, exit about the size of my index finger smashing a rib on the other side. one of the 2 blow the bottem of both lungs apart. ran maybe 20 yrds.

had too much smoke after the first shot to see where it went after the first shot. and the whole group played the shell game on me.[&:] about 6 in the group, I had to shot the closest.

oldrookie 12-21-2007 06:18 PM

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what slug did you use?

gleason.chapman 12-21-2007 06:21 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 

ORIGINAL: corey012778

No miss, no freeze up, no glar, and the only problem I have. I gotta make some deer steaks:D

I went out after I got off work, worked over and had to go to the bank, set up in my "hunting partners" stand, still in my work cloths, raw beef, chicken and pork smell,

Lined my scope up, BOOM, started cussing thought I missed, it ran closer to me, reloaded in less the 30 secs (not bad, for someone that has not worked on that). THOUGHT it was a another deer put it in my crosshairs, BOOM. watched it flop around and run. claimed down. looked, too dark to find any blood trail. grabbed my head lamp. went in to a farm that I can not hunt. found a the doe I shot. My uncle came up and help me get it back to the house. Cleaned it up, found 2 SETS of bullet holes in it. both where lung shots NO MEAT HIT AT ALL.

I am going to change bullets next year, I want some blood trail. I got lucky I found it.

Knight usak
85 grs pyrodex p
.430 240gr xtp
tasco bucksight 3-9 x 40
#11

I am hoping to have some picks later.

I got some corn feed, hay feed, apple feed, barly feed, meat on the table.
Wow, the most unlucky guy on this forum got a deer! Amen. Congratulations. As for bullets to try next year use one of these on this post:

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=2526917

Chap Gleason

corey012778 12-21-2007 06:34 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
thanks I think chap, I have read every theard on it. barnes and noslers are little out of my price range/bullet. I do have an handful of 250grs golds that a member sent me to try, I may try one of those out of it. they group the same as the xtps I use now at the same charge. also have some shockwaves that fire well. also got some 45 cal xtp 250gr I may use.

gleason.chapman 12-21-2007 06:48 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 

ORIGINAL: corey012778

thanks I think chap, I have read every theard on it. barnes and noslers are little out of my price range/bullet. I do have an handful of 250grs golds that a member sent me to try, I may try one of those out of it. they group the same as the xtps I use now at the same charge. also have some shockwaves that fire well. also got some 45 cal xtp 250gr I may use.
Ofthe 3 the Gold Dots are the best, then the SW, the XTPs are good, but I have heard of fragmentation on game and SabotLoader shot them into dirt and they lost their jackets. So since they are the same price as the Gold Dots, go for the GD. I am glad you got your first deer with your ML, and I felt you were very unluck or unfortunate in may of your hunts, that is all. No offence or dishonor intended. Best Wishes, Chap Gleason

corey012778 12-21-2007 06:57 PM

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it is ok chap, I did not think I was going to get on this year either;). But for next year, I am going to work with some conicals too.

frontier gander 12-21-2007 07:09 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
Congrats Mr. Unlucky;)

Have you tried a Hornady great plains conical or even a powerbelt? I say you need to sell that picky shootin inline and buy your self a PRB shootin sum'gun :D:D

corey012778 12-21-2007 07:21 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
my usak is not picky, I am, I have groups about everything I have put though it. I got some tc maxiball 350gr. it grouped great with 85grs of pyrodex p, but I am going to lower the charge, it hurt alittle.[&:]

I got some 245gr powerbelts that grouped well. I am going to pick up some great plains down the road

gleason.chapman 12-21-2007 07:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: frontier gander

Congrats Mr. Unlucky;)

Have you tried a Hornady great plains conical or even a powerbelt? I say you need to sell that picky shootin inline and buy your self a PRB shootin sum'gun :D:D
FG,
Lets let him get a few under his belt before we try to graduate him to percussion or FL. the Knights are good shooting rifles, he just needs to solve his jitter, buck feaver, or "fumbleness" before he tries a harder rifle. Chap

wabi 12-21-2007 07:26 PM

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Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!
I've had good luck with 300 grain XTPs so far. 2 for 2 with them, but I prefer Barnes Expanders if the rifle will shoot them accurately. As for cost, $1.00 each isn't bad if you don't waste them all on targets. I like to get the rifle on paper with cheaper bullets, then switch to the Barnes and fine-tune the adjustments. ;) When I get it zeroed I save the rest for hunting.

frontier gander 12-21-2007 07:27 PM

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He can buy a percussion:D:D

Corey, Recoil is fixed with a Limbsaver recoil pad. You can buy the slip over to make it easier. Worth every penny.

corey012778 12-21-2007 07:29 PM

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chap, I am planning on getting percussion sometime next year. and keeping the knight. I love how the knight shots. just want a little more fun.:D;)

gleason.chapman 12-21-2007 07:33 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 

ORIGINAL: wabi

Congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!
I've had good luck with 300 grain XTPs so far. 2 for 2 with them, but I prefer Barnes Expanders if the rifle will shoot them accurately. As for cost, $1.00 each isn't bad if you don't waste them all on targets. I like to get the rifle on paper with cheaper bullets, then switch to the Barnes and fine-tune the adjustments. ;) When I get it zeroed I save the rest for hunting.
I do the same with the XTPs and Gold Dots, I get my gun shooting well with them, then switch over to Noslers, the 300g XTPs and Gold Dots hit about the same as the Noslers.
Chap Gleason

gleason.chapman 12-21-2007 07:37 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 

ORIGINAL: corey012778

chap, I am planning on getting percussion sometime next year. and keeping the knight. I love how the knight shots. just want a little more fun.:D;)
You can get one of the TC Renegades percussion for $149 here:






052627
USED T/C RENEGADE 54CAL
315792 CO
$149.95

http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/813usedblkpowderguns.htm

They will let you try a gun for 3 days, if you don't like it, clean it and return it and you get your money back. I have not bought from them yet, but others have on this forum and they say they are great.
Chap

frontier gander 12-21-2007 07:38 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
Corey, heres a good place witha few sidelocks for sale at a reasonable price,
http://www.go2gbo.com/forums/index.php/board,120.0.html

sjsfire 12-21-2007 08:04 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
Congrats on the deer. You want pass through and a blood trail? Pick up some Barnes 250 or 300gr Expander MZ's. You don't have to shoot them year around seeing the are pricey. Do what I do, shoot bulk bullets for fun and hunt with the Barnes. I didn't need blood trails this year with the Barnes. The first one went 15-20 yards, fell within sight. #2 was a boom-flop.

sabotloader 12-21-2007 08:40 PM

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corey012778

Congrats! - The ice is broken - everything gets better now...

Slackdaddy 12-21-2007 08:58 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
Corey,
goto:
http://www.prbullet.com/knhp.htm

They do as advertised, trust Me.
I use the 360 grain on 80 grains of Pyro RS in a T/C black diamond, leaves a baseball sized exit wound and a blood trail Stevie Wonder could follow.

Slack

gt2003 12-21-2007 09:39 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
Corey, I had the same problem that you are describing. Lost 3 deer after hours and hours of searching. I switched to the all lead precision rifle dead centers and have not lost a deer since. None have run over 30-40 yards. I kept hearing "it's the shot placement, blah, blah, blah". Bullet holes consistently touched with the XTP's, they just didn't kill deer quickly. I seriously doubt my shooting has improved that much at close range, less than 40 yards. It all had to do with the bullet for me. I don't like to be an a** but Iget sick of people talking s**t. I now use the precision rifle dead center 220 grain bullets and 80 grains of 777. I'm sure you've seen the posts but here is a picture of a bullet recovered from a buck that I shot this year, probably 25 yards, straight through the shoulder. It held together extremely well and he went down withing about 25 yds of where I shot him. I bet the 220 grainers will shoot pretty close to where the 240 xtp's shoot. If you want, email me and I can send you a few but they aren't cheap. Spend a little more on your bullet andfind one that will do thejob. Here's the bullet from "shoulder boy". See ya, Greg

gt2003 12-21-2007 09:47 PM

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OMG slackdaddy, I almost tried some of those this year. I just love the PR bullets. I hate to get away from the light bullets and reduced recoil though. Any pics from the KNHP's? Thanks, greg

corey012778 12-21-2007 11:31 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
I just getting started this year with ML. and getting my first deer with a $40 knight usak, pitting problems. I hit further back then I really wanting too, but it did the job. still got a lung shot. I got some bullets I have been working with that I may switch to finish the season with.


thank yall for all the help, putting up with all my crap.

I feel releaved, hell I was about to quite hunting :(

One under the belt. I hope more to go, mainly this season.

frontier gander 12-22-2007 12:37 AM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
Corey, practice by shooting off hand at the range more often. Also, what happens when you see a deer? Your heart starts pounding right? Run around for a bit, get your heart beat up and keep it up while you target practice.

corey012778 12-22-2007 12:50 AM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
depends on how my day went, if I had a very stressful day, like last monday with I the scope problems. which how my day went today it was fix.

I will try that, or just walk more often to the 100 yrd target, uphill about 25degrees

gleason.chapman 12-22-2007 02:40 AM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 

ORIGINAL: gt2003

Corey, I had the same problem that you are describing. Lost 3 deer after hours and hours of searching. I switched to the all lead precision rifle dead centers and have not lost a deer since. None have run over 30-40 yards. I kept hearing "it's the shot placement, blah, blah, blah". Bullet holes consistently touched with the XTP's, they just didn't kill deer quickly. I seriously doubt my shooting has improved that much at close range, less than 40 yards. It all had to do with the bullet for me. I don't like to be an a** but Iget sick of people talking s**t. I now use the precision rifle dead center 220 grain bullets and 80 grains of 777. I'm sure you've seen the posts but here is a picture of a bullet recovered from a buck that I shot this year, probably 25 yards, straight through the shoulder. It held together extremely well and he went down withing about 25 yds of where I shot him. I bet the 220 grainers will shoot pretty close to where the 240 xtp's shoot. If you want, email me and I can send you a few but they aren't cheap. Spend a little more on your bullet andfind one that will do thejob. Here's the bullet from "shoulder boy". See ya, Greg
It is about placement, penetration, expansion and shoot thru. Dead centers are good and they sure worked for you by the looks of that pancaked 220g. I tried the 340g about 4 years ago, and had a difficult getting down the bore, also not a lot of people were carrying them at that time, now Cabelas does and calls it Cabela's Dead Centers (same bullet). They are a bit soft for me, since I like 'expanded head and long shanks" in a fully expanded bullet. I think a lot of folks experienced what you did, I fdid and my son didwiththe PBs, and once you get a really >>strong<< >>accurate<< bullet the world changes, but you didn't. That is what happened to me with the Nosler Partition. They hit and hit hard and they shoot thru, and they leave a big hole and they expand well and penetrate well andwith NO fragmentaion. I agree, shooting them in the chest at 25 and 40 yards and loosing the deer because of bullet fragmentation, non-pass thru, etc is a VERY VERY discouraging situation---wanting to give up hunting and feeling like that. Nobody wants to shoot God's creatures and have them suffer.
Best Wishes,
Chap Gleason

gt2003 12-22-2007 07:10 AM

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Well said Chap! I agree 100%. Once you find something that works and works well it makes ML hunting a LOT of fun. Discouraging and upsetting otherwise. Buy quality and figure what your gun will shoot well. Good luck Corey, Greg

corey012778 12-22-2007 08:47 AM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
I am going to try a gold dot next time.

little up date. skinned and 1/4 the deer. got looking one shot was a gut shot. the other was a lung. I don't feel too bad now about shooting it twice. both passed thru. one left the same size enter and exit. the other the enter look almost like I grazed it, the exit was just a little larger but no by much. it broke a rib.

STILL DID NOT HIT ANY MEAT :D;)

I went on and cut down the back straps into small roast. I am going to work on the hams and fronts tommarow if not monday.

I am ready to go out and get another deer. lol

falcon 12-22-2007 09:05 AM

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Congrats on the deer.

monster10rackstack 12-22-2007 12:55 PM

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congrats

corey012778 12-22-2007 11:51 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
went out this afternoon and looked where I shoot her. there was no blood trail. I really don't know if it was the bullet or the placement or both. I had everything going wrong on finding this deer. cloud cover, dark, and it ran to a farm I can not hunt. and I still found it with all that could go wrong I found it in the dark, with a crappy flash light, and no blood trail.


mr. unlucky got lucky :D

gt2003 12-23-2007 05:44 PM

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You're hooked now! You're in big trouble, LOL!

corey012778 12-23-2007 05:47 PM

RE: GOT MY FIRST DEER
 
shheeeshh don't tell my wife lol


she has already asked, "you got your deer for this year do you have to hunt more"

gt2003 12-23-2007 08:11 PM

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Hell, I've killed 4 this year and I told her I was done! I was informed that I needed to go out and hunt some more. Lol, I've got the good life. If it wasn't for backstrap and jerky I might not have the same freedom. Good luck Corey

corey012778 12-23-2007 10:51 PM

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jerky!!!, hummmm, my wife does not like deer but she like deer jerky. that gave me an idea.

gt2003 12-23-2007 11:01 PM

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Hey, u gotta play whatever angle works best for you. My chest freezer is probably 3/4 full with 1 gallon ziplocs of deer meat waiting for processing. Hot links and chili here I come. Play on the girls weaknesses. It got me a muzzleloader and rifle instead of just a bow. Good luck!!!

rafsob 12-24-2007 09:10 AM

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What happened to the pictures???????????????????????????

corey012778 12-24-2007 09:22 AM

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my dad took them for me, I keep forgeting them. they are laying on the counter at job number 2



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