300 grain T/C Mag Express XTP's same as Hornadys?
 

I've been shooting 300 grain T/C Mag Express XTP's out of my Omega with great results. I see where I can buy Hornadys XTP300 grain sabots for a few bucks cheaper. Are they the same ,with just differant packaging? Thanks

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Yes, they are Hornady bullets. If the bullet has one cannelure, it's an XTP mag. Two cannelures, a regular XTP. I would not use the XTP mag for deer hunting, you may not get proper expansion.

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Doegirl I have nothing to base this thought on, and perhaps someone with field experience can comment...

If the XTP Mag holds together more, couldn't that be a benefit for hits to bone mass or pass through with a deer? I shoot both, and both are accurate in a number of my rifles. But I never would have guessed that the XTP would not be a great bullet as well as the standard XTP. But still I have no practical in the field, blasting a deer experience to back up my thoughts.

Anyone with practice experience in the field with either of them, sound off...

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This chart has been posted before. It indicates the300 grain XTP Mags should expand at impact velocities of1100 fps and above.The regular 300 grain XTP's at 850 fps.

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cayugad

Dave just a couple of thoughts... both XTP's are good but the XTP mag may not give you the performance that you want at short ranges with the velocity that most are shooting them at. They are to tough at least for whitetail -often at short rangesthey will pass through a thin skinned - thin bodied whitetail without much expansion. Great bullet beyond 100 when they slow down and a very good bullet on thick skinned animals. The regular XTP should be a better all-around performer on deer. IMO

Your estimation of the mag busting through bone mass is correctbut often not the realty of the shot.

Just thinking out loud

Sewerdude

Just remember the Hornady XTP's and sabot will come with a HPH-12 sabot rather than the slimmer HPH-24. The least expensive way to purchase would be to buy a reloaders box of XTP bullets and the sabots you want separartely...

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Semisane

Use that Hornady chart with a little caution - it was not developed with a ML in mind it was developed for pistols.

An example look at the 10mm 200 grain XTP... Hornady says 700 to 1150 - I am shooting it a 2200fps and performs great... it even stays in the jacket while I can easily strip the copper of the 250's and 300's.

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Dave your logic is the exact reasoning behind me using the Mag instead of the regular XTP. I want pass throughs and I want to be able to bust bone if I have to. Another advantage to them is the ability to "bust brush". Where I hunt it doesn't really matter how clear of a shot you think you may have, a twig always jumps out in front of you. I have hunted w/both and killed many deer w/both. They both preform great in my opinion. I just prefer the Mag because of it being a little "tougher"-that being said, I still get good expansion out of them as well.

I think it comes down to hunting styles. Some people want pass throughs and others care more about expansion. Neither one is "right" just a different hunting style.

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Sabotloader, I guess I never throught of them in that manner. I was more concerned about a pass through hole. I have read posts of the XTP standard that hit, expand, and stay inside the body cavity. I just figured that the mag would hit, expand a little less then the standard, but hold together long enough to pass through.

Right now I am shooting the .430 300 grain XTP Hornady HP with 120 grains of Graf's & Sons 2f black powder out of my GMB Renegade. I figure it will hit hard, expand, and even if it does not pass through should release enough energy inside the body cavity to do what it needs to do. We will find out the end of this month... :D

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ok ya'll got me thinking (not good) I am firing .430 240 xtp under 85 grs of pyrodex p.

Could someone guess how I would do with them, I am not planning for shots over 75 yards

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I will guess you will have excellent results with that load. They should hit, expand and do lots of damage. I talk to people on forums that shoot 80 grains of Goex and that projectile at deer and all they ever get is dead deer. Good luck.

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Ok you guys make me crazy sometimes . 45-70-500 . Of course somebody had to point that out to me also . Shoot a deer at 150 yrds with a 1200 fps pistol bullet that leaves the muzzle at 1800 fps and if your within 4 inches of where your supossed to be you've got meat on the table .

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cayugad

I think you will like the 44/300 XTP - while it is a regular XTP itis built to function across a wider range of velocities...+ of couse it has a higher BC. I would almost bet you anything that you will get your pass throughs at any resonable range, but with good expansion. The only thing I worry about is stripping the lead from the copper on thicker skinned animals or an angle shot through heavy bone mass. The only thing that hold the lead in the copper is the ring so if you get expansion beyond that point you stand a CHANCE of stripping the lead out. Another reason (in my little mind) that I have a switch to Bonded Gold Dots...

Just for the record - I am a total pass through person - I kinda demand the pass through with massive hyrostatic shock interanally - hence my over zealot (sp?) thought that I need to shoot Noslers....(never have gotten into barnes all copper bullets although they do the same thing). Hopefully I will be able to show you what I am talking about this season before it is over... I am trying to carry a camera with me all the time instead of leaving it in the truck and picking it up after the thought.

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corey012778

At that distance and with that charge they will do just fine... It is estimated by most that the Hornady 44/240 has killed more deer than any other bullet out there...

But - I would bet you those 250 Gold Dots (& 100 grains of powder)I am sending you would do the job better more often... could not resist -- the devil made me say that... dang!

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I know of three animals that we have taken with .45 cal 300 grain Xtps mags , all three were complete pass through. One was a elk shot in the base of the neck at 110 yards using 95 grains of ffg loose , one was a deer also a neck shot at 80 yards using 100 grains of ffg loose , and last Thursday a friend shot his elk at 142 yards using 90 grains of ffg loose . The 142 yard shot on the elk did not hit any bone and the entrance and exit holes were almost the same size , very little blood trail , but the elk droppedwith in 50 yards. The two other animals , the bullets hit the spine and the exit holes were three times the size of the entrance . I buy my bullets and sabots now in bulk and save a little $$. I have been very impressed with the accuracy and performance that we have experienced so far with the XTP bullets.

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damn it man, I thought we where going to keep that quite

I still gotta get that package out to ya. mail it friday, if I remember.[&:]

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I know of 6 deer. All bang-flops.

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There are two .451 XTP bullets: One is the so called XTP Mag. bullet. I am looking at a package that TC sells as 300 grain Magnum ExpressXTP. That package does not contain Magnum bullets.

How to tell the bullets apart: The XTP Magnum .451 bullet has the jacket folded into the hollow point: The XTP does not. As Doegirl stated, one 300 grain bullet has two cannelures: That one is the .430 caliber 300 grain.

Added later: Brain malfunction. Both the .44 and 45 caliber XTP bullets have two cannelures.

IMHO-The differences in success with the Hornady bullets can often be attributed to the fact that the user is not sure which bullet he/she is using. Plus there is the problem of truth in packaging-marketing hype.

i have had fantastic success on hogs and deer with the240 grain .430 bullet.

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I will worry about seeing them first, then the shooting part comes next. I am sure the .430 grain XTP or the Nosler Partitian I was shooting will do the job.

I was out scouting this morning again. The snow really helps to put the sneak on them out there. Saw two does and got to within 40-30 yards of the smaller one. But I decided no more doe shooting on my property. The deer are too few now. Can't shoot all the cows and expect the calf crop to be worth a darn. Not that I am against shooting does. I just like seeing deer and as of late, and that has not been that good. Besides, if I shoot one, then I have to butcher it, package it, etc. I will hold out for a buck or nothing at all from now on.

Good luck to all of you still waiting to hunt.

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corey012778

Well, I didn't tell them the whole story - just part of it... sort like reporters looking for sensationalism - you only git part of the story...

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"I was out scouting this morning again. The snow really helps to put the sneak on them out there.

What in the world is snow? :D:D:D

"Saw two does and got to within 40-30 yards of the smaller one. But I decided no more doe shooting on my property. The deer are too few now. Can't shoot all the cows and expect the calf crop to be worth a darn.""

You have a very good point there.Something has happened to a lot of the deer here.This part of OK is over-run with hogs. Deer do not like to drink at ponds where the hogs wallow and i've seen hogs chase deer off the food plots. IMO the hogs kill a lot of fawns. This fall we have a bumper crop of acorns and the hog population will increase expotentially next year.

Get that buck.

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falcon you might be the one to ask. Our Department of Natural Resources ( DNR ) put out an advisory that any hunters encountering hogs in the wild are encouraged to shoot them, remove them from the woods, and turn them over to the DNR. The DNR says they want to test them for disease and basically make sure that hogs do not get a foot hold in the country. What disease are they talking about? Just wondered. Do wild hogs carry soemthing we should know about. After all I read about people shooting them all the time and eating them.

If I have to ruin my hunt by shooting a hog, then dragging it out of the woods, and then hauling it to the DNR only for them to take the thing away.. well guess what? I am out there for deer...

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cayugad

Dave I really like your train of thought... As i tell Terry if I shoot one now what will I do the rest of te hunting season? at that point she usually points to the "honey do" list which is not getting any shorter... We were out yesterday scounting a new hunting area or looking for that right buck which ever one comes first... but it was a lot fun just stalking around in the woods watching the does and yearlings doing really stupid things. I would raise the White up and put one up in the scope and go bang just to let me know that i could have if wanted to. But the day was great we gathered some very good information for an elk hunt coming up in December and a late season ML doe hunt at the end of November. It is just great to get out there nad will be greater when the rut starts here.

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Wow, some great info on the question I asked about the TC mag bullets and the Hornady. So, if I have it right. The TC Mag XTP's are made by Hornady. But the TC Mag 300 gr XTP are differant that the 300 gr XTP that Hornady sells? The reason I was asking is that the Hornady XTP's are a little cheaper that the Tc Mags. So, since my Omega is already sighted in with the TC XTP"s . I was just going to buy the Hornady's for "extras". Guess i better just buy some more TC's and wait till next season and see how the "cheaper" Hornadys shoot. Hopefully I'l lbe testing them out on some Indiana Whitetails Nov 17!
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Well I just have to comment on this, as far as I am concerned the chart works well for pistols with the exception of a few like my contender and the othe similar high velocity single shots. As for applying it to muzzleloaders it just does not work. Some bullets for example the 10MM 200gr and the 300gr mag xtp and the 300gr Gold Dot do not act anything like what that chart says when you are shooting mag loads out of a muzzleloader. Past experance has cured me of using 300gr bullets on deer but they work quite well on thicker skined and larger game.
The only bullet that has worked well for me on all game is the 200gr 40 cal it is something special. Lee

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Sewerdude

Let my try to summarize...

300 Grain TC Mag Express (refers to the sabot)
300 Grain Hornady XTP w Sabots

These are the same bullet in different MMP Sabots.... the TC Mag -title- refers to the Mag Express Sabot which is a MMP HPH-24... the Hornady will come with a MMP HPH-12 sabot which is thicker.

This is a Hornady .452/300 grain XTP Mag

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This is a Hornady .452/300 grain XTP

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This is a Hornady .430/300 grain XTP - notice the difference in the distance between rings on the 44




Hope this doesn't confuse the issue...
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"What disease are they talking about? Just wondered. Do wild hogs carry soemthing we should know about. After all I read about people shooting them all the time and eating them."

They can carry pseudorabies, erysipelas (something like arthritis), Bang's disease, hog cholera and a host ofother diseases.Never heard of anyone catching anything from eating or handling wild hogs.I do wear good rubber gloves when dressing them.Do nothandle the reproductive organs or pig embryos.

There is a guy north of the Wichita Mountains Wildlife Refuge who used to trap hogs, pen them up and fatten them for market. He had hundreds of wild hogs penned up. The OK Agriculture folks came in and found themdiseased and told him to destroy them. Theguy just quit feeding them and many starved to death. Some of the neighborslet the survivors out.

Wild hogs in large numbers would make any outbreak of hoof and mouth disease in livestock very hard to control.

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Dave, sounds very much like a scare tactic,,,,like they aretrying to ensure they capture the data they are looking for. What better way than to mention "disease"? I would guess that the chance of disease would be much higher in areas with high numbers of hogs. As was said, people in these areas eat them all the time. If I were you and I saw one while you were out deer hunting, I'd be eating a little fresh pork. ;)

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A 50/50 mix of deer meat and wild hog meat makes GREAT sausage.

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Well they are not in my area yet. They are south of me in Clark County. From the rumor mill, some city people owned land, bought hogs, and turned them loose to take care of them selves. Now the DNR is getting hog damage reports, etc. So they want them shot off. But they want the hog as well. I would think if a person went through all that work the least they could do is give the hunter back the hog after they do their testing, etc.

Falcon.. thanks for the tips on the hog disease. I used to work on a hog farm in my younger days, and hauled them miserable things (among other uncooperative animals) in trucks all over the State. They can sure be a handful. I knew the owner of the farm was always careful about where you had been, cleaning your boots, etc.. before walking in the yards, etc. I remember he went almost wild when a feed salesman who was traveling farm to farm to sell protein and supplements,justwalked into the farrowing house uninvited. Like he later explained .. no telling what that guys boots are hauling around on them...

I guess now that you explained it.. no reason why wild hogs should not get the same diseases. thanks! :D

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"A 50/50 mix of deer meat and wild hog meat makes GREAT sausage."

Indeed it does.

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damn, that was good to know, my ml box fall over and mixxed both the five mag express sabot I had left and my mmp hph-24

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corey-My Rem 700 loved that bullet with 90 gr Pyro 2ff never had a deer go more than 10 yds. Longest shot 90 yds. Shot very tight groups off the bench also.

Chalie

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I know all about those tight groups. a 45 cal 240 gr 100 yrds with 85 grs pyrodex p