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I shot the heck out of them... some of them really well - some of them really bad... But for my first time i was just glad they cleared the barrel!!!

Shooting an old Renegade 54 cal (pitted barrel) 1/48with 80 & 70 grains of Pyro RS - .530 Speer Round ball -.015 Muzzleloader Originals Lubed Patch 2000+ . Fit seems really good and moves down the barrel tightly.

There was absolutely no pattern to anything from 25 yards to 100 yards. The only thing that seemed to be close was elevation at all distances... Left & right never came together...

Question? How do you properly place ball and patch... After the ball is pushed down into the barrel a couple of inches - if you look at it - you see about 1/2 the diameter of the ball but often the patch is not close to being equal all the way around the ball - Problem?

Appreciate any that comes about...

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I'd switch to .018 Pillow ticking. After using it one time, i'll use them forever! As for the ball being centered on the patch, All you can do is give it your best. I dont think it will make a difference if one side has more sticking out than the other. Unless its an ungodly amount.

Did you find any recovered patches? It could also be the lube thats on them. I know factory bore buttered patches i used to get did not come with enough lube and they'd burn right up.

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The off centered patch is the exact reason why I cut my patch at the muzzle. I have some pillow tick from Wal Mart. Tear a strip of that off. Lube that strip up with what ever. Then lay that over the muzzle. Seat the ball and cut the strip away with a knife or anything else you might have. There you are, perfectly centered patch every time.

Some Renegades are powder junkies. You might want to kick the powder charge up more. I shoot them with 90-100 grains of Goex 2f or Pyrodex RS.

Keep trying.. it is a lot different then shooting sabots..

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I PLACE THE PRECUT ROUND PATCH ON TOP OF THE BARREL :
PLACED THE BALL CENTER OF PATCH :PATCH CENTER OF BORE
THEN KEEP THE BAL AND PATCH CENTER WITH FOREFINGERS AND A TAP WITH THE STARTER HAMMER
IFIND BLUE AND WHITE PILLOW MATERIAL .017 AND MY LUBE WORK FOR ME
I WILL BE GLADE TO SEND YOU SOME PRE-CUT PATCHES ALREADY LUBED IF YOU LIKE
WANT TO TRY SOME WADS UNDER THE PATCHED RB MAY GIVE YOU A BETTER SEAL COULD ALSO SEND YOU SOME
YOUR GUN MAY NOT LIKE PYRODEX
I SEEN RUSTED BORE SHOOT PRETTY GOOD AFTER A GOOD CLEANING
CHECK YOU PATCHES DOWN RAGE THEY SHOULD LOOK AND TELL YOU WHAT THE BARREL IS DOING POST A PICTURE OF THE FIRED PATCH
I FIND MY PATCHES ARE LIKE JUST AS GOOD AS NEW AFTER THEY ARE FIRED

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cayugad

Well, I will certainly verify that....

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lonewolf5348

I knew that - i remember reading that... I did not do that - dang! another learning curve - I am to old...

When you say pre-cut - do mean as i think Dave is saying pre-cut to just the right size to fit around the ball with very little showing when the ball is pushed dowm?

I might take you up on that offer - later - I was just killing the afternoon (60 degrees here) after hunting this morning - I do not think I am going to get carried away with it until later....

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If you really want to make a patch flutter in the wind, lay the cloth over the bore, sink the ball, then actually send it a little bit deeper down the bore, then cut the patch material off the muzzle. This makes the patch a little bigger, and when you shoot the patch will leave the ball real fast and just float away in the breeze.

When you find the patch look for large tears in it or totally burned up. If it is really in ruff shape, you need to lapp the bore. Some of my patches are in such good shape, for kicks, I shot them again.

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Once its on sight, You actually going to try shooting a deer with the PRB?

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ballloader !

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UC

shudupp! I am trying to expand my horizons.... proving old people can learn new tricks...

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FG

prolly not - jist gongs @ traditionalist gatherings... I jis love to shoot things...

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My horizon dun expandud 2 much. :D

I started shooting muzzleloaders using patched balls but quickly learned the value of conicals.

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Shooting patched balls is fun,and a cheap way to shoot allot. The first deer I ever killed was with a PRB from a 45cal. Hawkin. He was around 45-50 yds,and it dropped him like a bad habitRon

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UC

ya i no - but dey woant let ya shoot conicals at dare gongs eyz all done asked dat...

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When in Rome... :)

but they are afraid you'll destroy the gongs.

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Composting with the scattred cloth method.Works but takes a lot of time.

:)Al

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yooper

Well, I certainly got a start at it yesterday - but even though I couldn't get it to shoot the way i wanted - it was still fun - but man that pyro stinks...

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You need a can of Goex!

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Sabotloader, with a pitted barrel I would suggest some things, use at least 20 gr corn meal it keeps the patch from being blown at the pitts, a heavy load of slow burning powder, why? because its the way it has worked for me.
A really tight combination of patsh and ball allways shoots better as long as its not so tight it cuts the patch.
as far as I am concerned there is only two good patch materials split deer skin and and heavy ticking.
I dont care what they say about bore butter nothing works better for patch grease. Lee

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This isnt exactly perfect but it was close to a bulls eye @ 50 yards with the kentucky flintlock.

Heres the patches from today. T7 did a better job @ 50 yards than pyrodex. 3 holes in one. Scroll to the right to see the pyro p patch.

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FG

Dang! I wish i had been smart enough to pick-up/look for shot patches.... next time....

So in the picture that you show of RB in a patch with lube - do you push it down as it looks or do trim the patch with a knife?

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Push it down as it is. Its a .018 patch but im able to start it with my thumb. Im waiting for my ticking material to come in and i'll see if cutting at the muzzle offers better accuracy.

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FG

Let me know...

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Sabotloader, Might as well get a can of Swiss while your at it. Check your email for the magic key information. By the way, what'd ya git me fer my birthday? I got high hopes!!!! ;)

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Actually, why don't you come over this weekend and you can try some of my Swiss. Matt and I are going to shoot the Whites....that is, if we don't go chase some pheasants. No,,,,,,,I didn't say peasants!!!! :D

Bring the Sako too, me and the NEF are R-E-A-D-Y. My Suburban needs a bath, real bad!

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cdad

When is ur bday? I would think I would need to dicuss the question of a suitable gift with UC first... then maybe ur wife and get her thoughts also....

I would prefer a can of Swiss - jist thought GOEX might be easier to come by....

Cain't com over dis week cause it is still hunting season over hareand da big un is still out thar... den there is elk season in December - I live ta hunt...

Actually the girls are coming over this weekend - so i am here....

gonna go check e-mail rit now...

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Bday was yesterday! Dang you missed it again!!!

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cdad

Happy Birthday to You!

In reverance of the day yesterday - I will not beat you in shooting - but it won't be to long and Matt will...

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Best place to buy a small order of Swiss seems to be Grafs now.

I don't know about beating Cdad at shooting... he's got that deresonator you know.

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UC

Ya I know - but if we could just find one for his communication skills...

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The bestest place for him ta git a can is frum me, cuz I have an extry. Butt, since he caint stop puttin me down long nuff ta axe, ah guess Grafs wood be hiz best bet.

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AND, he aint even menshuned shootin gainst me since ha saw dat last targit, whuch if ah wuz him, ah woodnt say nuttin eether. [8D]

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cdad

Whut? I iz Whut? Whut targit?

U nveer says u ad an xtree can!~ ya nveer offeered nuten... butt ifn u has & xtree can u ken loan til I ken git sum eye iz interesting...

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It's some kinda good powder but it is BP. You will have some rotten egg smell and smoke, but less than any other black I've ever shot (which hasn't been all that many). It meters great and is very accurate but swab clean after each shot.

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OK, so I forgot to send you the target,,,,,check yer email and ya better start working on that Sako. :D

Yes, I have an extrycan. It is fff if that is what you are looking for.

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cdad

OOOOh! triple f - excellent - but first i gotta figure out what I am doin...

Dat targit looks good - was that at fifty yards...

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Bring the Sako over and we'll shoot at whatever distance you want. :D

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cdad

Member when we were shooting those tuffs of snow in that field at 5-600 yards... that would be an interesting group especially with these new reloads I have...

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Reloads don't scare me none!