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I was wondering if anyone knows if you HAVE to use grease specifically madefor lubing breech plugs or if other greases would work. I have some super lube with PTFE and was hoping I could just use that. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Any kind of anti seize grease will work. The main thing is you use something. I personally would not use just any old grease, but the anti seize you can purchase at an Auto Parts store, or Slick 50 1 grease, or any of the breech plug greases will work. Some Teflon tape will also help keep that breech plug from getting stuck.
Something you can do to make sure the breech plug does not seize up on you. At the range after ten shots, take your breech plug wrench and just turn that breech plug back and fourth a little. Not that you have to remove it mind you. All you are doing is breaking it free of anything that is starting to seize. If you do this, at the end of your range session you will find the plug comes out nice and easy. Also if you shoot on a range that is a long distance from your home, it does not hurt to take a zip lock bag, remove the breech plug at the range, and the other parts, and put that in the zip lock. That way it will not have a chance to set up. I know one fellow that carries a plastic jug with a lid. In there jar is soapy water. He throws that plug in there and he "claims" by the time he gets home, the plug has swished around in there enough, it is almost clean. Whether that's true I can not say. This fellow I am talking about likes to stretch the truth once in a while. :D |
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CVA Slick nipple and breech plug grease is the best stuff I have ever used. I have never had a plug or nipple stick using the stuff even with Triple Se7en powder. One small tube will last a very long time.
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i use plain old Permatex White Lithium Grease.
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Just to add another thought... This is something I wrote what now seems ages ago... may be helpful - may not... Works for me but it nothing works for everyone.... More pictures more words - you are probably going to be sorry you asked... Is there a significance to the color of the pipe tape? There is differences.. The white tape, plumbers tape, we see all the time is the thinnest tape out their designed for water lines. The pink tape is a thicker tape and will with stand a greater temp. The yellow tape is the thickest tape and is really designed for gasoline pipe. The tape that you use will depend on how tight your breech plug is as it screws in - if it is so tight that it chews the tape up going in you will to use a thinner tape. I have found the pink tape (TC Breech Plug Tape), or pink tape from Home Depot (less expensive) works great in the Remington’s - but is too thick for the A&H's they need white. The tape that is patted down over the face of the breech probably does one or two things... a) a lot of it is blown out the barrel with the first shot but b) some of it is blown up and into the gas seal between the breech plug and the barrel creating an even better seal. One of the keys when tightening the breech plug is not tear or ball up the tape in the threads and when the to faces meet squeeze the tape but do not crush it or tear it. Here is some information I wrote up along time ago - it works for me but I can not guarantee it for you so experiment a bit at a time... Breech Plug Sealing www.graybeardoutdoors.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=39309 It is my theory that sealing the breech plug should occur at the face of the breech plug against the rear flange of the barrel. If the blowback can be stopped where these two surfaces mate, blown back powder and more importantly the hot gases will be sealed from the threads of the breech plug. These gases and powder residue are responsible for the seizing of your breech plug. These same gases can cut your breech plug and cause a breech plug failure. This subject came up again on another forum. This the information I posted and it WORKS, anyway on my four inlines. I really don not even worry about seized plugs - I shoot several rounds each trip to the rock pit. The following picture shows my efforts as explained below. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/sabotloader/BreechPlug2.gif http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/sabotloader/BreechPlug.jpg This is one of those things that I have really been fortunate with. When I go to the range I shoot 30-40 shots 100 grains of loose t7 with 209 primers. I shoot 2 Remington’s and 2 A&H's. With all four of these guns I believe I have the breech plug thing whipped. I do not loosen or even fool around with the breech plug at the range. When I get home and get to it I turn it (them) out with very little pressure. I have tried several anti seize products, and anti seize with tape, even tried the finger tight thing, but have settled on just TC's tape or a comparable Teflon tape from a local building supply - one wrap. From the two side locks that I built I think I have learned something.... I believe the face of the breech plug should mate up with the face flange of the barrel, if this mating is clean and tight, this mating should stop gasses from going back into the threads of your breech plug. I have blackened the face of my breech plugs screwed them in snuggly against the barrel flange - backed them back out and checked the black to see if contact had been made all the way around. The 2 Remington’s and one of the A&H's showed that there was good contact all the way around on the plug. One A&H seemed to have a very small non-contact spot. The next thing I do is start wrapping Teflon tape from the barrel end of the plug back to the nipple end. The key for me is that beginning wrap - when I am done wrapping the tape on the barrel end of the plug it should extend out from the plug - I then push and press the tape down on the face of the plug - insert it into the threads and I tighten it snuggly against the barrel flange - not tight - do not want to tear the Teflon, but make it snug because you need to compress the Teflon a bit. If you look down into the barrel with a barrel light you should see the Teflon all the way around the breech plug in the barrel. Your very first shot will drive that excess Teflon back up into any gaps there might be and your threads are sealed... (the Teflon might even cover the flash hole when your done wrapping) Popping one cap will take care of that. That is my formula it has worked well for me - but every rifle is different so I can't say it will work for you all. I really believe it all comes down to how well the face of the plug and the face of the barrel mate up. |
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Do what Sabotloader says. It works!
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I've been using 3M Anti Seize for my percussion nipples for almost 18 years & since I just got my first inline this year I've started to use it on the breach plug on that too, so far I've yet to have a nipple & my breach plug stick, I also do what Cayugad said & I'm sure that it helps quite a bit.
One thing that I remember "think Cayugad said it" is don't get the plug too tight, just tight enough to be snug is all that is needed. |
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I used sabotloader's tape method in my White rifle. Shot 51 rounds in one session and the plug came out with no effort at all.
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I very recently had my first problem with a breech plug siezing.
I used Knight grease as I have used on many rifles over the years and when I finished shooting only 8 or 10 rounds at the range I broke the breech plug loose. It broke loose easily, but as I backed it out it got tighter. 4 or 5 turns and it wouldn't budge any further. I took it home, removed the barrel and put it in a padded vise, then used a 7/16 socket & impact wrench to remove it. It looked like the first 4 or 5 threads closest to the breech were dry & dirty from blowback. Second trip to the range was a repeat performance! Third trip I tried the teflon tape (used yellow tape and applied it as Sabotloader instructs) and had no problem at all in removing the breech plug! No evidence of blowback in the threads and it came out with a nice even pressure (heavier than with grease only, but it goes in that way, too) on the breech plug wrench. From now on I'm using tape on all my breech plugs!!!!!!!!!!! |
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I use the CVA brand. Comes in a tube like Chap Stick only twice as big around. Never had a problem with it. I do back my plug in and out about every 5-7 shots though.
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I invented Teflon tape long before I invented the crud ring. :D :D:D ;)
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I use Wonderlube Plus, Bore Butter, or white petroleum jelly. Whatever is handy. I have yet to have a BP seize. Even after lightly snugging them. The main thing is touse something. Even crisco would work!
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UC
In all your wisdom and glory - you did invent T Tape and I should give you credit more often as the father of the idea, and the parent of the thought to snug the breech plug rather leaving it loose. I should also give credit to Toby Bridges for sharing his thought about over wrapping the nose of the breech plug. With all of this wonderul information I was able to develope the method that I use and it works for me. Therefore when this all goes down in History you and father time will be on the same page... actually don't you and father share birthyears???? |
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Funny. I use the tape (pink) and am quite happy with it. My son, however, wants to know who the heck thought to use pink for the tape! I told him it certainly wasn't a hunter.
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UC
My son, however, wants to know who the heck thought to use pink for the tape! I told him it certainly wasn't a hunter. Sometimes ya jis git ur finners in the pie to often? mike |
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Thanks for all the replies. Wabi I had the exact thing happen to me the other day...started coming out really easy then very, very hard the rest of the way. Definately will try the tape though!:)
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I was gonna try a dab of Bore Butter. Bad idea?
BTW, I shot my Optima Pro prolly 10 times yesterday. Plug came out pretty easy last night. Oh, I forgot to clean it from last fall as well! [:o] (B4 my range time yesterday) Not gonna "chance" that again. [:-] |
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Actually... git yer feet up ... I'm reasonably certain I've never had an original thought in my lifebut years ago I was having a bit of trouble with the nipple on my Hawken, saw some white teflon tape in my box when I went to look for some grease (couldn't find the grease), and thought... ah'll jest use dat on dis here nipple's thredz. Turns out if worked great.
Many years later, it occured to me to try the Teflon tape on a breechplug just for grins... and it WERKT! Mentioned this on the White Rifles chat forum and Bob Bowers suggested using the pink stuff. I honestly didn't even know the tape came in anything but the color white, let alone any ratings or thicknesses for the various colors. As to why someone ever elected to make that tape pink, I've no idea - probably meant it to be red and didn't have enough dye or pigment - but you can blame Bob Bowers (Super91) for improving the idea and the use of pink tape. Not long afterwards, one of the White Rifles forum members sent the tip in to Toby and he published it. Funny thing was that it didn't take TC long to come out with their hi-dollar version after some of us had been describing its use on the net for awhile. ;) Did ah handul dat 1, Mike? :) BillyMack, I've read of people using nothing but Bore Butter on the threads of their plugs with good success. I've not tried it myself as I'm trying to see if my tube will petrify. :D I've a friend that shoots T7 and uses nothing on his plug threads but a smear of MOTOR OIL. He claims it works well. Ah aint doin' dat eeder. |
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10-4!
If it's good enough for the "bore", surely it's good enough for the breech too right?! :eek: Getting ready to go rub a dub dub right now. Punching out as we speak. ;) |
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Let me make sure I got this straight, just teflon tape with no grease?
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UC, I think you just invented crud,,,period. Sometimes it has a ring, sometimes it doesn't! :D
Super91 and PINK tape,,,,,well, that just makes sense now doesn't it?!?!?;) |
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Hoss, back up the thread there you can read Sabotloaders method. I generally put just a touch of good grease over the tape after it's on the threads. A single layer of pink tape will generally do the job.
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Cdad, ah'm gonna respond ta ever post sepratlee so ah'll be impotent.
Shuddup. :D |
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I use the anti sieze grease that you buy in the automotive section for spark plugs. Works great.
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i've been using choke tube lube which is graphite based. it has worked great and i have never had a seized breech plug.
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Use teflon tape then crisco, and margerine. Then you can wipe off all the excess and have something to fry your eggs & taters with! WOW.......
 oh yea, just kidding! All this talk about grease is getting me hungry.... chris |
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I use the copper based high-temp automotive anti-sieze grease. I started using it when I still had my Knight DISC rifle, which had a terrible breechplug siezing problem (so bad that I thought once that I'd have to have the breech plug drilled out). This stuff was the only thing that helped, and I've just used it ever since. On my Savage, I apply it very sparingly to both the breech plug and vent liner threads, then snug them down good and tight. I take my breech plug out about every 50-100 shots or or once a year whichever comes first, and it always comes out with no more effort than was required to put tighten it down.
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When hunting... No grease;)When shooting I use grease... I would say that you could use anything you want... I got some anti sieze from work and use it... I only shoot 3 or 4 shots before taking apart and cleaning;);)
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I tried the pink tape in my Omega about half way in, the plug became very hard to turn.
Took it off and tried the white tape and theplug screwed right in. I have not shot thegun since trying the tape but plan on shooting withing the next week or 2. |
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A couple things I would like to suggest or as... My Omega does use the pink tape and from your description I think yours might also, but it sounds to me like your barrels threads might need to be cleaned. About the only time I use a bronze/brass in one my guns is to clean the BP threads in the barrel. I put the brush in a short piece of cleaning rod and chuck it in a drill and then from the breech end of the barrel clean the threads with that and a touch of solvent.... I did notice the other day on the ML accessories board @ Sportsmans that there was now a BP thread cleaning gadget in a TC package hanging on the wall. Looked like a plastic device(like a thread chaser) that you screwed in the BP threads to clean them... Here is a pic...  http://www.basspro.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151&catalogId=10001&a mp;langId=-1&partNumber=82230&hvarTarget=search&c mCat=SearchResults The second thing for the tape to work correctly it needs to wrapped over the nose of the BP and patted down. Sure hope it works for you as well as it does for me.... |
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Thanks Sabot, I will give it a try.
I never thought about the threads being dirty. |
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I use a synthetic automotive bearing greese. Bought a tube of it like you put in a greese gun. It is a red color and is not too messy and one tube of it will likely last me a lifetime. Works better for me than the teflon tape which releases, but somewhat tightly.
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That TC cleaning tool is kinda cool.... But I've just been using a plastic bristle BP brush with some solvent. Then twist up the sleeve of an old t-shirt or a sock and continue twisting into the threads . Works fine.... There's ALOT of little gadgets out there that I'm sure work good. But I usually improvise as long as it works well.
chris |
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