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wabi 08-18-2007 09:01 PM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 
If you only want a muzzleloader for the extra hunting opportinities, go with a modern inline in .50 cal. Probably a break-open action or something like the Knight rolling block for ease of cleaning and good ignition. The .50 allows a wide choice of powder & projectiles, and they are readily available.
If you want more fun and a chance to "slip back (mentally)" in history a little you might want to look at a more "traditional" styled caplock or flintlock. There are models available to shoot modern bullets, conicals, or patched round ball available - new or used.
I, personally, have both types and I enjoy shooting both. For a hurry up before or after work hunt I take the inline (Lyman Mustang) so I can get to hunting quickly. For a more leisurely, relaxed hunt I will take my T/C (caplock)NewEnglander. It requires a little more care & attention to small details, and I'll have to slip a little closer before I pull the trigger, but it's by far more fun. (and I consider cleaning part of the fun)

gleason.chapman 08-19-2007 06:47 AM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 

ORIGINAL: bigtim6656

i am looking at buying a muzzleloader to give me the extra two weeks to hunt so what kind of muzzleloader should i buy i am 6'6 350 pounds so i am a big guy and a big gun does not hurt me shooting wize
and i am hunting slouth west indiana with some hills

what brand
what gun
what caliber
The current, SEptember 2007 issue of Outdoor life has a comparison of ML in it (TC, CVA and Traditions), the Triumph came out on top. It is a great rifle from all reports I have read.
Chap Gleason

MLKeith 08-19-2007 08:40 AM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 
My options would be either the Triumph, Omega or the Knight Rolling Block. The primer extractor in the Rolling Block seems like a big plus for hunting as the primer would not require a tool to pull out when sticking. I have not had a lot of problem with my Omega but it is a positive feature none the less. Also the Knight would probably shoot conicals better than any of the T/C guns as the QLA seems to be the feature on the T/C guns that makes conical shooting a questionable thing at best. Personally I would go with the Rolling Block.

Okie48 08-19-2007 11:19 AM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 
Well if I had my choice I would get the new Knight Rolling block with the wood stock,followed closly by the TC Triumph as my second choice.

Dixon 08-19-2007 11:49 AM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 
If I was in the market for another ML, I'd go with the Knight Rolling Block as well. However, I just recently acquired a CVA Optima Elite. If you are looking for something to have that has interchangeable barrels (centerfire), then the Optima Elite should be a consideration.



outdoorslover 08-19-2007 08:35 PM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 
That is an easy answer and I give the same one to everyone.

.50 caliber is the best and TC makes the best Ml's in the country, without question. I would look into their Omega, which is reasonably cheap right now, due to the new Triumph coming out. If that doesn't suit you, try the Triumph. It'sthe best on the market now.

I would also look into the KP-1 by Knight, which came out this year, and Knight's lineup(as a second choice lol);). Knight is an excellent brand on the market as well and though I haven't owned one, I'm impressed with their guns.

Whatever you do, don't settle for the chaeper gun.You can either buy the best, be happy with it, take good care of it, and have it for life....or you can buy low quality and complain and moan and end up ditching it after a few years.

good hunting, have fun, and good luck!!

frontier gander 08-19-2007 08:41 PM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 
yep, if you bought a high quality tc you'd get a life time warranty, you'd put that warranty to use as most tc owners have had to do, as long as you shoot sabots u'd be ok. As for em being the best,:D:D:D No

TC has many flaws out there and clearly are not the best. The best muzzleloader made is one that is custom made to fit you and your needs. There is no such thing as " the best" Every product has their flaws and TC is one of them.



frontier gander 08-19-2007 09:20 PM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 

ORIGINAL: outdoorslover

That is an easy answer and I give the same one to everyone.

.50 caliber is the best and TC makes the best Ml's in the country, without question. I would look into their Omega, which is reasonably cheap right now, due to the new Triumph coming out. If that doesn't suit you, try the Triumph. It'sthe best on the market now.

I would also look into the KP-1 by Knight, which came out this year, and Knight's lineup(as a second choice lol);). Knight is an excellent brand on the market as well and though I haven't owned one, I'm impressed with their guns.

Whatever you do, don't settle for the chaeper gun.You can either buy the best, be happy with it, take good care of it, and have it for life....or you can buy low quality and complain and moan and end up ditching it after a few years.

good hunting, have fun, and good luck!!
Knight rolling block looks to be a winner when it comes to shooting conicals. Take a look at shots 1-3 that were shot with an omega and a powerbelt "conical"
http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforu...ID14/1554.html

1SHOT_1KILL 08-20-2007 08:20 AM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 
Get the Savage 10ML-II. Put a Nikon Buckmaster 3-9 on it, with Warne or Weaver Grand Slam bases, and Warned rings. Load it with 44-45 grains of Accurate Arms 5744, eithera Hornady .452 250gr or 300gr XTPs, withMMP HP24 (short petal)sabots. This comboshouldgive you sub 2" accuracy right from the get go,2,050-2,200 FPS depending on thecharge and bullet, and depending on how you sight it in will give you anapproximateMPBR of 175-190yds.

And it is legal in Indiana.

Flatland Hunter 08-20-2007 09:48 AM

RE: what muzzleloader to buy
 

ORIGINAL: 1SHOT_1KILL

Get the Savage 10ML-II. Put a Nikon Buckmaster 3-9 on it, with Warne or Weaver Grand Slam bases, and Warned rings. Load it with 44-45 grains of Accurate Arms 5744, eithera Hornady .452 250gr or 300gr XTPs, withMMP HP24 (short petal)sabots. This comboshouldgive you sub 2" accuracy right from the get go,2,050-2,200 FPS depending on thecharge and bullet, and depending on how you sight it in will give you anapproximateMPBR of 175-190yds.

And it is legal in Indiana.
What he said... can't go wrong with the Savage in IN... I took mine out Fri and shot under MOA with 300gn XTP and 65gn of IMR 4198. Went out again Sat and shot even better with 300gn XTP and 44gn of IMR SR4759 and under 1 1/2" with a 250gn XTP and 47gn of 4759...


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