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sjsfire 06-01-2007 10:00 AM

sabot/bullet selections
 
I was cruising on the Midsouth web site and I'm interested in trying the Harvester Crushed Rib sabot for 45 cal bullets in my 50 cal CVA. The main question here is...I looked at the bullets in the reloading section and I'm seeing "pistol" bullets of all makes in .451 diameter. Is it possible and safe to buy the sabots I want to try and use the pistol bullets? Or will the bullets for a pistol be too short? What do you guys use if you mix and match your sabots and bullets? I've used the 250 gr Barnes MZ Expanders, they group really well but they load hard. Thought I'd try some of the Crushed Rib Sabots for $5.11 per 100 and some of the bullets I'm seeing are 100 for around $20.Thanks.

gleason.chapman 06-01-2007 10:19 AM

RE: sabot/bullet selections
 

ORIGINAL: sjsfire

I was cruising on the Midsouth web site and I'm interested in trying the Harvester Crushed Rib sabot for 45 cal bullets in my 50 cal CVA. The main question here is...I looked at the bullets in the reloading section and I'm seeing "pistol" bullets of all makes in .451 diameter. Is it possible and safe to buy the sabots I want to try and use the pistol bullets? Or will the bullets for a pistol be too short? What do you guys use if you mix and match your sabots and bullets? I've used the 250 gr Barnes MZ Expanders, they group really well but they load hard. Thought I'd try some of the Crushed Rib Sabots for $5.11 per 100 and some of the bullets I'm seeing are 100 for around $20.Thanks.
That is EXACTLY what I do. I use the Crushed Rib Sabot, they are 50 to a package for $5.11 and I buy bulk pistol bullets. I use the Hornady XTP/Mag 300g and the Speer Gold Dot 300g. Let me give you theexact URLs, since Ikeep them in my "wish list" for future purchases.

Gold dot:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=000213974

Crushed rib:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=00072H15045BR

Nosler Partition (very expensive, my hunting bullet I have 50 left and will shoot this year in my in-line BP guns):
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0011545350

Hornady Mag Pistol bullet:
http://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item.asp?sku=0000345235

I shoot exclusively 300g since they penetrate and go thru a deer, the 250g and under don't shoot thru a deer in general, but a 300g does.
Hope this helps. Chap

TNHagies 06-01-2007 10:26 AM

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I've used pistol bullets for many years. I like gleason.chapman buy my bullets in bulk (300g XTps) and then buy the Crush Rib sabots. Every ML I have loves them. And they sure put a world of hurt on deer without hurting my wallet.

oldrookie 06-01-2007 10:30 AM

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I use the harvester crushed sabot with the hornady xtp in both 250 and 300g. The sabot that applies to those bullets would be black in color.

cayugad 06-01-2007 12:40 PM

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Same here, I just ordered four more packs of them in both the .452 & .430 size since I was rinning low. I load a number of bullets with excellent results. The Hornady 240 & 300 grain in both diameters being the .44 & .45 caliber. I also shoot Hornady HP-XTP 300 grain. They shoot real well. Then there are Speer Gold Dot in a number of different sizes.

So the selection is huge. Just remember to look for the caliber and diameter before you purchase.

sjsfire 06-01-2007 02:42 PM

RE: sabot/bullet selections
 
Thanks for all the responses. I'm really impressed with what I read and what I've shot in the 250 gr Barnes Expander MZ. I like the fact that they are all copper, expand into a nice size petal, and retain it's weight. I think they would make a excellent deer load. Like I said, my CVA groups them real well but I'd like to try the Havester Crushed Rib sabot with them. I don't own a caliper set, does anyone know what the 50 cal Barnes measure out to? The ones I bought of course came with the sabots. I'm not sure if they are a 44 cal or a 45 cal.

Doegirl75 06-01-2007 03:13 PM

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sjsfire: diameter of 250 grain Barnes Expander is .451.

oldrookie 06-19-2007 05:20 PM

RE: sabot/bullet selections
 

ORIGINAL: sjsfire

Thanks for all the responses. I'm really impressed with what I read and what I've shot in the 250 gr Barnes Expander MZ. I like the fact that they are all copper, expand into a nice size petal, and retain it's weight. I think they would make a excellent deer load. Like I said, my CVA groups them real well but I'd like to try the Havester Crushed Rib sabot with them. I don't own a caliper set, does anyone know what the 50 cal Barnes measure out to? The ones I bought of course came with the sabots. I'm not sure if they are a 44 cal or a 45 cal.
sjsfire, I wanted to bump this to the top. Have you had a chance to use the crushed sabots with the Barnes?

Redneck Bowhunter 06-19-2007 06:57 PM

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I use the XTP pistol bullets 250 grains in a green sabot (no name brand buy in bulk bags). I get great accuracy with this setup.

oldrookie 06-19-2007 07:40 PM

RE: sabot/bullet selections
 

ORIGINAL: Redneck Bowhunter

I use the XTP pistol bullets 250 grains in a green sabot (no name brand buy in bulk bags). I get great accuracy with this setup.
Yep, I like the xtp but shoot mostly the 300g with the crushed sabot. I was interested in how the sabot did with those Barnes he was going to try out.

sjsfire 06-19-2007 08:15 PM

RE: sabot/bullet selections
 

ORIGINAL: oldrookie


sjsfire, I wanted to bump this to the top. Have you had a chance to use the crushed sabots with the Barnes?
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No, Sorry to say I haven't had the chance. Never could find the Barnes anywhere online. I did buy the Knight Red Hot 250gr which is the same bullet as the Barnes MZ Expanders. And got 150 Crushed Rib Sabots. Been too damn hot and humidhere. The only place I have to shoot is the sportsman club down by my wife's family 1.5 hours away. I'll get down there soon, we visit about every other weekend. I'll take photos of my target.....My son got me a nice Canon digtal camera and a 2 gig memory card for fathers day, should hold a lot of pictures. I'll give a report on them as soon as I can.

oldrookie 06-19-2007 08:53 PM

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Just courious if it worked out. By the way, if you can't find the Barnes anywhere else,go to their website and you can order from their retail site. Not necessarily the cheapest, but available. Good luck!

gleason.chapman 06-21-2007 05:53 AM

RE: sabot/bullet selections
 

ORIGINAL: sjsfire

No, Sorry to say I haven't had the chance. Never could find the Barnes anywhere online. I did buy the Knight Red Hot 250gr which is the same bullet as the Barnes MZ Expanders. And got 150 Crushed Rib Sabots. Been too damn hot and humidhere. The only place I have to shoot is the sportsman club down by my wife's family 1.5 hours away. I'll get down there soon, we visit about every other weekend. I'll take photos of my target.....My son got me a nice Canon digtal camera and a 2 gig memory card for fathers day, should hold a lot of pictures. I'll give a report on them as soon as I can.
Sjsfire, I have some Barnes TMZ 285g I beliveand some Knight Ultimate Slams290gI will trade or sell you 5 of these (I shoot 5 shot groups for testing accuracy) for 5 of your Red Hots. I also have a package of 50 of each of the following sabots
Crush Rib
Harvest short black high pressure
MMP short black
MMP #12
MMP #24
MMP EZ-3petal
Hornady green sabot
that I can trade or sell you 5 of each type for testing. PM me if your interested in trading or buying. I also have many different types of bullets for testing.
Chap Gleason


sjsfire 06-21-2007 09:38 AM

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Chap, PM sent.


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