Sight in for 370 gr Maxi Ball
#11
RE: Sight in for 370 gr Maxi Ball
I have never tried any type of filler or anything with my muzzle loader. Just the powder and bullet. I have also considered trying some Pydrodex P, and as long as I stay with no more than 80 grains, should be fine with no worries about the pressure spikes. I don't have any, so would have to pick some up next time I go north. What does the ground oatmeal do to the load? I would just put 10 grains of oatmeal on top of the powder, then seat the bullet?
Now my interest is peaked, so I may have to grind some up, and do a control velocity test, and a test with oatmeal tomorrow when I go to town.
Now my interest is peaked, so I may have to grind some up, and do a control velocity test, and a test with oatmeal tomorrow when I go to town.
#12
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jan 2006
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RE: Sight in for 370 gr Maxi Ball
ORIGINAL: charlie brown
I have never tried any type of filler or anything with my muzzle loader. Just the powder and bullet. I have also considered trying some Pydrodex P, and as long as I stay with no more than 80 grains, should be fine with no worries about the pressure spikes. I don't have any, so would have to pick some up next time I go north. What does the ground oatmeal do to the load? I would just put 10 grains of oatmeal on top of the powder, then seat the bullet?
Now my interest is peaked, so I may have to grind some up, and do a control velocity test, and a test with oatmeal tomorrow when I go to town.
I have never tried any type of filler or anything with my muzzle loader. Just the powder and bullet. I have also considered trying some Pydrodex P, and as long as I stay with no more than 80 grains, should be fine with no worries about the pressure spikes. I don't have any, so would have to pick some up next time I go north. What does the ground oatmeal do to the load? I would just put 10 grains of oatmeal on top of the powder, then seat the bullet?
Now my interest is peaked, so I may have to grind some up, and do a control velocity test, and a test with oatmeal tomorrow when I go to town.
I think just about any meal would help. Cream of wheat (farina), cornmeal, it is just that we like oatmeal, (and its supposed to be good for cholesterol), and it happened to be there that day. So I just put some in my coffee grinder and ground some up.
And yes, load the powder, lightly tap the butt of the rifle to pack it, drop the oatmeal. Then seat the bullet. Charlie, I made a scoop which measures 10 grains of meal out of a piece of oak drilled to accept the barrel of a pen (quit writing, shrug) which was cut just right for ten grains. Works awesome. One other thing. Other with more experience than I use 20 grains. But thats the fun of it, experimenting, having a blast with it.
Charlie, one other thing. In the sidekick, with the 385 GP, I found that pyro p produced inferior velocities with respect to RS. I can't explain it and it took me completely by surprise. What I found pyro p to excell with is patched roundball, and ballets. It seems to like lighter projectiles, at least in my sidekick and hawken. If you are going to be primarily shooting the maxiball, you may prefer to opt for RS in this next purchase if my experience with the 385 is indicative of what you may expect with the maxiball.
#14
RE: Sight in for 370 gr Maxi Ball
Thanks for the info Pglasgow
Yes, very nice sights, its a shame they just won't work with the load I want. I am even thinking of putting on a set of Lyman peeps sometime, lol. I also have a set of those Lyman sights on my .30-06, and they are great for a back-up.
Later,
Marcial
Yes, very nice sights, its a shame they just won't work with the load I want. I am even thinking of putting on a set of Lyman peeps sometime, lol. I also have a set of those Lyman sights on my .30-06, and they are great for a back-up.
Later,
Marcial
#15
RE: Sight in for 370 gr Maxi Ball
Well, I was hoping to get out today and shoot, but the snow and wind was nasty. I guess I will just wait for it to warm up a bit, and spend a whole morning out, lol.
Later,
Marcial
Later,
Marcial
#16
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,092
RE: Sight in for 370 gr Maxi Ball
To calculate change needed in height of the front sight (or it could be the rear) needed to correct for a certain amount, you need to know the sight radius and the error that needs correction at a specific distance.
100 yards = 3600" So, how much rise per inch deviation is need to gain an inch in either direction? 1" change at 100 yards requires 1" rise or fall in 3600" distance traveled... or .000277" per inch traveled.
Measure the distance from your rear sight blade/peep/aperature to the front side bead/blade. Write it down. (For our example below, we'll assume a 20" distance is measured (sighting radius).
So we have a front sight which only results in a group 18" below point of aim with the rear sight in the middle of its adjustment range. We have a measured sight radius of 20". And, finally, we know that to achieve a 1" change at 100 yards we must induce a change of .000277" per inch of travel.
The front sight is too high.... how much?..... .000277 X 20 X 18 = 0.09972" required change
100 yards = 3600" So, how much rise per inch deviation is need to gain an inch in either direction? 1" change at 100 yards requires 1" rise or fall in 3600" distance traveled... or .000277" per inch traveled.
Measure the distance from your rear sight blade/peep/aperature to the front side bead/blade. Write it down. (For our example below, we'll assume a 20" distance is measured (sighting radius).
So we have a front sight which only results in a group 18" below point of aim with the rear sight in the middle of its adjustment range. We have a measured sight radius of 20". And, finally, we know that to achieve a 1" change at 100 yards we must induce a change of .000277" per inch of travel.
The front sight is too high.... how much?..... .000277 X 20 X 18 = 0.09972" required change
#18
RE: Sight in for 370 gr Maxi Ball
I do know that the distance from the centers of the front and rear sight is 18.25" The Front sight is 9/32" from the top of the barrel to the top of the sight, and the rear sight, the same distance is 3/8." I am not understanding how the formula works, so I figure I will file the front sight down until I amslightlyhigher than I want to be at 50 yards, and then use the rear sight (which is as high as it will go) to adjust accordingly.
#19
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 3,092
RE: Sight in for 370 gr Maxi Ball
.000277 X 20 X 18= yadda yadda
Just plug in your numbers, your sight radius is 18.25" and you are 8" low at 100 yards with the rear sight max'd out. Let's add a bit to that 8" to gain you some adjustment room on your rear sight and use 10" in the formula
.000277 x 18.25 x 10 = 0.0505525"
So file the front down .05" and you should then be a bit high at 100 with the rear max'd. My guess is you'll want to take just a little more off later but it's far better to take off too little than too much.
Just plug in your numbers, your sight radius is 18.25" and you are 8" low at 100 yards with the rear sight max'd out. Let's add a bit to that 8" to gain you some adjustment room on your rear sight and use 10" in the formula
.000277 x 18.25 x 10 = 0.0505525"
So file the front down .05" and you should then be a bit high at 100 with the rear max'd. My guess is you'll want to take just a little more off later but it's far better to take off too little than too much.