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goatbrother 03-08-2007 01:51 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 

ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack

Many within the organization are in support of the definition change because we saw way too many bucks and cows being harvested during the late seasons. They (inlines)are simply too efficient at a time when the animals are most vulnerable and attempting to put on weight to survive the winter.
How so?? I mean if you take a sidelock and an idaho legal inline (open ignition and percussion cap) load the same brand of powder, same quantity of powder, same caliber and weight of projectilewhat comes out the barrel will be the same, well almost the same, the sidelock would likely have a slight advantage due to the normally longer barrel.

It may be that the number of inline guns make it look like there is an advatage, say if the ratio of inline to sidelock is 2 or 3 to 1 and actual performance is equal then yes it could be said the inlines kill more animals but it sure isn't due to any performance advantage of one style of gun over the other.

The high harvest % numbers for muzzleloaders is due more than anything to the location and time of year the hunts occur, the results would be the same if those hunts were archery or centerfire, the time and location of a hunt is what makes the difference.

cascadedad 03-08-2007 01:54 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
Excellent, now we have a "federal agent" among us that can straighten us all out.


ORIGINAL: BrutalAttack

The rules came about because the current commision wants to return to a "primitive" weapon hunt during the late season. That was the original intent when those hunts were added. That necessitated changing the definition of a muzzleloader.

Many within the organization are in support of the definition change because we saw way too many bucks and cows being harvested during the late seasons. They (inlines)are simply too efficient at a time when the animals are most vulnerable and attempting to put on weight to survive the winter.
Now that you are into the discussion and stating things like "because we saw way too many bucks and cows being harvested during the late seasons.", where are the statistics to back that up? I really would liketo see some numbers. And, when you say "we", does that mean you are a part of the commision? If so, you should certainly be able to provide a link to the data, or a copy of the study, or something. Thanks a lot BA for joining us and "setting us straight".


There are many hunters that are making simple modifications to their current muzzleloaders to make them fit the new definition.
What kind of simple modifications? If this is true, what good does the "new definition" do?

Yoter 03-08-2007 02:55 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
BrutalAttack: Are you refering to the meeting last night when you say:

"Public comment has been nearly split with a slight advantage going to those infavor of the definition change."

I was there and would have to say that the numer that testified against the rule changes, particularly the pivoting hammer requirement outnumbered those in favor significantly.

How can you say that inlines with the same powder, same ammount of powder, exposed ignition with same ignition type, open sites, and same projectile is "simply too efficient" ? What adtvantage does an inline have when all of these other things remain equal?






goatbrother 03-08-2007 03:32 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
There is no advantage, to say otherwise is to perpetuate the big lie.

And you know what the Nazi propaganda minister used to say don't you?

"If you repeat the lie often enough it becomes the truth" -Joseph Gerbels
Hitlers master of propaganda
"

sabotloader 03-08-2007 03:43 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
BrutalAttack


They (inlines)are simply too efficient at a time when the animals are most vulnerable and attempting to put on weight to survive the winter.
Of course here you are totally wrong.... An Idaho legal inline is no more efficient than a sidelock. I think I and several other folks can show that very easily, with what we can do with our sidelocks. Now if you are referring to a Modern Inline in general, one that is scoped and uses 209 ignition would agree it is more effecient than a sidelock, but an Idaho legal inline - not a chance. Even the one thing people are trying to grab "lock time" is inaccurate. The new TC sidehammer locks are much faster than the old one and may even be faster than some plunger guns....


Remember: inlines are still fine during the any weapon hunts so to say you just bought a boat anchor is overreacting just a bit.
This another whining statement - you can use any most ML during regular season, so why even have a ML season use what you got and enjoy it if you like it that much. I kinda wish we would go mostly to muzzleloading anyway - it certainly would help the heard numbers...


Public comment has been nearly split with a slight advantage going to those infavor of the definition change.
Nearly split should not give anyone a Mandate I think you are going to hear a whole lot more from the non-vocals and the working people that do not, can not make the meetings....

cascadedad 03-08-2007 03:51 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
sabotloader
Where you been all day? Out practicing? Are you skeered???? :D:D:D


INLINES ARE EVIL...........INLINES ARE EVIL.............INLINES ARE EVIL.............

sabotloader 03-08-2007 03:57 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
Cdad

sum of us gotta work now and then... Terry had things for me to do - we went to Lewiston -> now I gotta put water filters on the Kit sink and the Refer icemaker...

No but I did decide i would take the White along cause I KNOW it kin outshoot ya...

I would never put any lead in ma White and chance lead fouling... it shoots only plasssteek...

and I don't do black powder.... but I'll watch you...



cascadedad 03-08-2007 04:16 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
You better get those filters on before I get there. I sure don't want to drink no stanky water!


ORIGINAL: sabotloader

No but I did decide i would take the White along cause I KNOW it kin outshoot ya...

I would never put any lead in ma White and chance lead fouling... it shoots only plasssteek...

and I don't do black powder.... but I'll watch you...
That must be one of those MODERN INLINES. [:@][:'(][:@][:'(] Stainless, plunger, plastic, BP substitute. You must be some young punk that just wants things to be easy!!!! :D:D:D

By the way, just talked to Matt. His knee is feeling ok, so we should be there about 3:00 tomorrow. :)

Underclocked 03-08-2007 04:39 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
SL, try some Swiss FFFg - it's some amazing stuff. :D



cascadedad 03-08-2007 04:50 PM

RE: Attn: Idaho Muzzleloaders
 
He probably couldn't handle the recoil. :(


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