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I am pretty redundant on what I say about PBs (I don't like them), so I crafted a web page, which I hope is full disclosure and fully informs people on the best selling ML bullet in the USA:

http://www.the-gleasons.com/powerbelt_page.htm

Iwill restrain myself from giving this to Racked bucks and bigger on the forum,'cause most of you already know my feeling on this issue. I do that to fully inform forum >>fawns<< who are looking for guidance on bullets, which isone ofthe most importantconsiderations in ML hunting (shot placement is first). Most people "go with what is recommended to them by the store or a buddy".
Chap Gleason Va

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Try a Sabor Tooth some time.

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Hogs with Smokepoles!& powerbelts

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Yes, I say that on the PB page I wrote. Chap

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The proof is in the bacon! I am not into starting another PB war, just want people to know I put this together. I know I am not changing you, but a fawn they don't know the truth and have NOT been set free yet (to paraphrase a scripture).
Chap

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I used to be a fawn and the powerbelts always dropped my deer. I really wish i had been using them in 2001 when a mule deer with double drop tines came into my sights. I still dont have a clue to what happened with that tc maxiball.[:@]

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Reb,

One can't say it any better than that. Nothing succeeds like success. I would say, (even though I have never hunted with them), that they are as popular as they are because they do a very good job of killing game. Do you have any recollection of the wounding, penetration, etc. about those hogs. I would be interested in the hunting story of each.

As for fawns needing help avoiding powerbelts I would say this. Being a fawn merely means you haven't posted a whole lot yet. Being mature about your bullet selection is secondary to being mature about your shot placement. Avoid "anus shoots" and "gut shots", avoid shooting at deer which are running "flat out" "legs fully stretched" andone will cut out alot of unsuccessful shooting. If you "miss", count that as a misplaced shot which may not have left a blood trail. You shouldn't miss. Try to put that shot right behind the shoulder and if you have to take a frontal or frontallyquarteredshot, make sure that you don't impact outside the shoulder blade. (Any bullet will glance or ricochet from an oblique impact with a bone especially a large flat bone like a shoulder blade.)

http://www.huntingnet.com/forum/tm.aspx?m=1908618&mpage=1&key=powerbelt&am p;#1908618

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If younotice, it's Tree climberwho posted that on the Hog Forum. I just posted it here to show what a Powerbelt can and will do.

Hey, anyone on this forum who has any doubts about Tree Climber, well he has tons of pictures andmore knowledge about killing Deer & Hogs than most hunters on here. Not only with ML, but with Rifle, Shotgun, Vertical Bow and Crossbow. If you ask him to, he would be happy to post Pictures of all the game he has killed over the years. I regret not taking the amount of pictures he has taken, but I have a few thathe has not had the opportunityto kill.

He and Ihave been hunting the same areas in FL for over 50yrs.

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AllI will say in support of Powerbelts is, as many cases of people having poor performance with powerbelts, there would probably be just as many people that have had nothing but good experience with powerbelts. They did not get to be one of the best selling projectiles in the country by being poor in performance. I personally have never shot an animal with a powerbelt. There for I have no first hand experience with their lethal end. I have shot a LOT of powerbelts in practice. In the right rifle, I find them very accurate. I also see no reason why they should not work for the taking of game if used properly.

The real question is, what is the proper way to use a powerbelt. Are some people pushing them too hard? Perhaps placeing them in the wrong area of the animal? I do not know. Would I hunt with them, yes I would.

I do want to say in support of gleason.chapmanthere are a lot of projectiles out there on the market that will do as good a job or better and in many cases for less money. It pays to try different projectiles in your rifles and find those that shoot accurate and work the way they are suppose to.

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Complete satisfaction with my PowerBelts this year,one buck,and
seven coyotes so far,no problems with them yet!:)

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Picking the right weightone for the job and placing exactly right will do a good job of puting down most game.
I personally believe that a lot of bad experances with several very good projectals including PB,ST and SW happen when the combination of gun bullet weight and powder load has not been well matched. When I found an artical by the makers of PB's I was suprised to find that we were in almost complete agreement on the loads weights and game matches. They are like any other manufactured item if used the way they were designed for at the ranges and with the loads they were designed for they will do a good job. Lee

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I realize that there are millions sold and millions shot, so they are still very very popular for a reason, they kill game and they are accurate. Would I throw out the baby with the bathwater---no they have their place. I agree that one should try a few in his rifle. Thanks Chap Gleason

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Lee, I agree with you 100%. Where do you find the article by the PB makers? I know Chad Shier shoots them, but he is paid by CVA. I know he is successful and has extensive knowledge. I know he is the editor of Muzzleloer Guns and Hunting, which I subscribe to and I like his stories. I know Richard Mann likes them and recommends them, I have read at least 3 articles by him on bullet performance. However when the 3 pellet craze hit, I don't think the gun writers or bullet manufacturers said much, they just rode with the 3 pellet craze, and marketed their guns as 3 pellet capable. I think that contributed to a lot of dis-information out there. Matching load and bullet to gun is an art that is nottalked about a lot in the national publications. Anyway thanks for your comment Lee.
Chap Gleason

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I think we can all agree that there are plenty of places which are the wrong area of the animal. Even though I haven't used them, I know of so many who use them year after year with great success that I can only feel compelled to agree that they are a good and effective projectile. Any projectile can be placed in the wrong area, for example a glancing shot on the shoulder bone a frontally quartered deer. Doesn't matter what you use when you place a shot like that. There will be a huge piece of flesh blown off, but no vitals damaged.

What amazes me it just how little it actually takes to do the job incredibly well. Take a .54 roundball propelled by a 90 grains of blackpowder. Has about 850 ft lbs of energy at 45 yards. Once it splats on a deer between the shoulder and neck, its sectional density couldn't be worse for any .54 cal projectile, and yet it still has sufficient momentum and energy to carve a wound channel right through the vitals exit the deer and break the hind leg. Or at 70 yards when it has about 670 ft.lbs energy, it has enough thump to pass all the way through a deer while still having enough thump to shatter the spine of a deer unseen on the other side.

I am reminded of Pittsburghunters recollection of the results of a .45 cal roundball at 70 yards. Again worse sectional density than a .54 roundball and 1/3 the energy. Fully capable of entering the brisket, carve a wound channel which destroys the heart, lodging under the skin of the far side 2 1/2 feet away.

It takes very little to get the job done, roundballs are proof of that. Millions of satisfied powerbelt users are proof that powerbelts also get the job done. I too, have never used PB's to hunt with. But I have used the 385 GP's which boom flop a deer and leave a 1" gaping hole on the other side. Awesome projectile. Best I can tell, a 385 GP is basically a compromise between a 350 PB and a 405 PB as far as terminal performance. The brand bashing is undeserved.