Butch's Bore Shine?
 

With my new Trade Rifle, Lyman sent me a bottle of Butch's Bore Shine.
I know it's made by Lyman, or at least marketed by them.
Anyone use it?
What's the scoop on it, good as anything else or are there any problems associated with it?

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I have used Butches Bore Shine for years in my CF rifles. The results were good. For some reason I associate it with the removal of copper fouling. I have used it after running some JB thru my ML and it cleans it pretty good.

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I got mine the same way. I've been using it for two years now without any problems. Seems to work just fine for me. I alwayscoat the barrel with Balistol before puting it away and haven't had a bit of rust yet.

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JB ?

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I think he is referring to JB Bore Paste. It works very good at cleaning garbage out of gun barrels.

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Butch's Bore Shine is a great product. It will really take the fowling out of a barrel excellent. J-B Bore Paste is a cleaner to remove copper, lead, plastic, and any other fowling that might accumulate in the barrel. It will also take light rust off in the bore and leave it a nice shine. Be sure and put a good oil down the bore after using it because you have removed any seasoning that was in there. In fact they say to put the Bore paste into a bore, after you oil it first.

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Hey Dave, when are you gonna write a book? I bet you'd give Sam Fadala a run for his money!

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I'll second that. I've got the 4th edition and some of the stuff I've learned here ain't in there.

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I found BBS is o.k. but be carefull with the stock finish I had some spill on the stock seem to want to lift the finish in a small streak mark

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cayugad

Dave! you used the wrong word - I find that hard to believe - I agree but with you I did not think you would ever say it....

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Any time you suspect that a solvent might hurt the finish on the barrel, pick a spot on the barrel that can not be seen and test the solvent there. I like to remove the barrel and do it on the underside where the stock covers anything. I have found very few solvents that seem to hurt a good quality blueing on a barrel.

When I purchase a solvent I look for one that is made for black powder rifles. Although I do use bore scrubber which can be used on anything, and is a great solvent.

Some some solvents can cause flash rust. One solvent, MAP a homemade solvent (murphy's oil soap, alcohol, and hydrogen peroxide) will cause flash rust.

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i never had flash rust until i started using HOT SOAPY WATER.when i used warm water, i never got it..

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I use Very Hot soap and water to clean the barrel, and boiling water to flush the barrel and have never had flash rust. Of couse, I have leather gloves one, and once the barrel is flushed, I dry patch it and then run sheath through it. I've checked them later but never found even a hint of rust.Once the rifle is cool then I put the rifle back together and everythingstays just fine until the next time I shoot.

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I have had rust while cleaning. It was a long cleaning session as I was getting out alot of burnt over borebutter, and took forever.

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i was not to happy after using warm soapy water for 36 years in same t/chawkins andthen using HOT SOAPY WATER,i got rust,you could see it and it came out on patch when i dried it a few minutes later..

for 36 years, never had flash rust and used bore butter until now to store..no doubt in my mine that hot water causes this rust..

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sproulman - the very hot water could very well indeed attribute to the flash rust that you noted. In my case though it was just the opposite. I actually put a tea kettle on, clean the barrel in very hot water, and when I hear it whistle, I take the barrel outside, lean it against the railing, put on my gloves and rinse the barrel with the whole kettle.

After that I take the barrel in and normally the second clean patch is dry for me. The barrel on the other hand is scalding hot and would actually burn me. Once I know the barrel is dry, a simple patch with Sheath and the barrel is then allowed to cool.

Do you think that the hot barrel draws that Sheath into the pores? When I get ready to shoot the next time, I dry patch the barrel and never get rust or even Sheath for that matter.

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i poured the very hot water into my toilet,then dish soap, i cleaned it in there,then i flushed it,then use cool water in toilet to rinse it,then i went to basement ,and grabed my clean patchs..before i pushed it in i noticed rust near muzzle..my patchs came out brown..

maybe as you said secret is to get barrel dry before it flash rusts..i dont know i was hurrying as fast as i could to dry it..

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My approach is almost identical to yours, Dave. A teakettle full of boiling rinse water, a little funnel in the muzzle, a glove and a towel gives me a scalding hot, rinsedbarrel. The patches and rod are right at hand, and I stuff adry patch down the bore as fast as I can afterward. First couple of patches show a lot of flash rust, sometimes almost black with the stuff. Goes away by the third or fourth dry patch, which come out almost pure white.

Then I coat the bore with either Bore Butter (patch comes out brown) or (lately) Sheath. Don't know whether the BB is picking up more flash rust, causing flash rust, or just turning brown from the heat.

On a stainless barrel, I don't see any brown after the rinse. Maybe a hint, if that, of gray. So I'm pretty sure, the boiling water rinse is causing flash rust.

Can't account for why you don't see it. Maybe something in the water here. Plenty of calcium, I know that.

I've been tempted to use only warm water, like Sproul, but, in all other respects, my cleaning techniques have worked well. That flash rust has got to be coming from somewhere and, over time, will probably take its toll.
Bob

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IME BBS isn't better then numerous solvents available, it does the job for fouling other then copper. For copper you need something dedicated be it sweets, foams, JB's, etc. Some solvents such as: SC MC#7 willremove trace deposits of copper but run a patch of sweets behind and you'll find out how little it really does. Though in a ML copper isn't usually a concern on the account of sabots being used with most copper jacketed bullets.

As far as the water/soap cleaning, its works for me.I dry swab immediately, coat liberally with sheath and store on a rag muzzle down in my gun cabinet. No problems to report in doing this for many years.

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I just got done cleaning two rifles. A White Ultra Mag and a Renegade. I did the same as always and again... no flash rust. It sure was cold shooting today. 6 degrees but a strong nasty north wind.

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Getting back to Butches Bore Shine I just cleaned a 17 HMR and a 220 Swift using the BBS. If u use a copper jacketed bullet this stuff works! The 17 HMR had 223 rounds thru it and it cleaned up like new. They recommend to clean thr 17 HMR bore only when the groups open up. I have shot 6 Yoted so far with this tack driver. The Swift I clean after every shooting session. As far as BP I really don't know what it's effects are. I used a bunch of JB Bore Compound ona 50 cal Rem 700, Knight BK 92 and a new Omega. ThenI used BBS and the bore shines like a mirror.

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Gee, I have used it for modern smokeless powder weapons, but never for BP guns. So, it is OK for cleaning ML's too??

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I clean my ML's exactly the same way as this, and have never had flash rust either. Maybe whether you get flash rust or not depends on what kind of steel the barrel is made from?????

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The kind of steel in the barrel? Interesting thought, but I have all brands of rifles and they are all cleaned the same way and with the same results. As for that Butch's Bore Shine, I went and checked my supply and see I have two different kinds???

My favorite cleaners are; (llooking at my cleaning shelves)

[ul][*]Birchwood Casey #77[*]Butch's Bore Shine[*]Butch's Black Powder Bore Shine[*]Black Off -Rusty Duck[*]Breakfree CLP[*]J-B Bore Paste[*]Birchwood Casey Bore Scrubber[*]Isopropyl Alcohol[*]Soap and Water[/ul]
I wonder if there is a difference between the Bottle of Butch's Bore Shine and the Butch's Black Powder Bore Shine. The bottle that states Black Powder is plastic and it looks more like an eye catcher then an actual label. I guess I will have to check the different on line stores and see....

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dave, i used to wonder about hoppes also..i think they have 3 different kinds of it,regular then they have one that says removes copper and plastic..

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That's what I was thinking too.. I tried to compare sku numbers but the bottle does not seem to have one. It also talks about removing copper, and blue patches which indicate copper in the bore. While the black powder one talks about cleaning all kinds of fowling and not having a smell. Open the bottle of Butch's and the smell is very strong... I am thinking they are two different kinds..

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http://www.lymanproducts.com/butch/Pages/butchbs.html


Looking at the Butch's Bore Shine site.. they are different. It seems the one is specifically designed for Black Powder rifles. I think that is why I bought the large 16oz bottle of the other, thinking I was getting a lot of the other stuff (that I am currently out of) and saving money. Come to think of it, I got the other stuff when I purchased my Lyman Trade Rifle.... That was some good stuff.. At least I found where I can order it.. off that site. :D