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Any more all you hear is about inline's, knight's etc the old way's are getting to modern in gun design's to me the true muzzle loader's are the flint lock's no scope's or fancy gadget's just iron site's and a good gun dont get me wrong I'm not taking nothing away from the knight's or other similar blackpowder gun user's but is there any one out there that still use's the old flint lock's.I still do
I use a 50 cal hawkin's belonged to my great granddad beautiful gun and still can drive tack's with it.

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The old guns are still there. Actually, the inlines have led some shooters to more of a challenge. They try the longrifles.

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PualBear,
I received an Traditions in-line muzzleloader for Christmas from my wife about four years ago. It's a beautiful gun with a grey laminate stock and nickel plating and I am finally going to try & hunt with it this coming weekend (MN muzzleloader season). However, I'm kind of a history buff and have been yearning for more a traditional muzzleloader. I would love to get one, wear the buckskins and go hunting. We are not allowed to scope our muzzloaders here in MN so they are not totally modern. I can't wait to take my first muzzleloader deer! Are the Lyman Great Plains Rifles any good? I was thinking of purchasing one. Good hunting, Craig.

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Here in PA after X-mas, we have a flintlock only season.
A .50 cal Thompson Renegade is about all i need.
I scoped inline would be nice, but the challenge factor is somewhat lost when you go to that. I'm not saying that it isn't challenging, but going out with iron sights, a powder horn and some flint makes it a little tougher.
I personally enjoy using the renegade, it seems like just for part of the season we are thrown back to a time when hunting was a way of survival, and not so much a sport.

Jennings Buckmaster Bow
.50 Cal Thompson Center Renegade

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The old ways are still alive and well. In my group, only one uses an in line. Although I will admit, we do not use flinters, but we do use percussion cap sidelocks. To be honest, I find a round ball, and 80 grains of powder in my .50 Caliber all I need to take a whitetail deer. I have looked at in lines more time then I can count, but when the urge comes to get one, I take my sidelock out, and spend a day in the yard shooting targets, and all seems right with the world again. Take care, be safe, and shoot well (no matter which one you like)

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Terminal,,, The Lyman Great Plains Rifle is an excellant bp rifle ,more realistic copy of a hawkin than a TC hawkin.Although the TC hawkin is a good gun too. I have both, the GPR has a slower twist barrel for round ball accuracy, than the TC, but the TC doesn't shoot to bad either. Good to see someone thinking about traditional.

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Terminal,,, The Lyman Great Plains Rifle is an excellant bp rifle ,more realistic copy of a hawkin than a TC hawkin.Although the TC hawkin is a good gun too. I have both, the GPR has a slower twist barrel for round ball accuracy, than the TC, but the TC doesn't shoot to bad either. Good to see someone thinking about traditional.

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Terminal,,, The Lyman Great Plains Rifle is an excellant bp rifle ,more realistic copy of a hawkin than a TC hawkin.Although the TC hawkin is a good gun too. I have both, the GPR has a slower twist barrel for round ball accuracy, than the TC, but the TC doesn't shoot to bad either. Good to see someone thinking about traditional.

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Terminal,,, The Lyman Great Plains Rifle is an excellant bp rifle ,more realistic copy of a hawkin than a TC hawkin.Although the TC hawkin is a good gun too. I have both, the GPR has a slower twist barrel for round ball accuracy, than the TC, but the TC doesn't shoot to bad either. Good to see someone thinking about traditional.

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Why not force everyone to use smooth-bore muskets? Rifling is just WAY TOO MODERN and severly detracts from the real meaning of the primitive weapons season. On second though, forget firearms, let's force everyone to hunt with rocks and sharp sticks.

Let's not forget that they ALL load from the front, and the inline was invented in the 17th century. Sheesh!

Mike


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driftrider I wasn't taking nothing away from the inline's or the people that use them I was just curious if anyone out there still used the flintlock and I have a smooth bore and would love to use it but I dont want anything to happen to it because of the value.

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I'm not saying that all weapons should be allowed during all seasons. What riles me up is when people start trying ban inline shooters from the muzzleloader seasons, and insist on making it an us vs. them argument. My only point is that a muzzleloader is a muzzleloader, and should be treated as such. I was just trying to illustrate the point by taking the primitive weapon controversy back another step or two. What is truly defined as primitive enough to be allowed?

My inline may look like a modern centerfire rifle, but it has all the limitations of any other muzzleloader. I have the same relatively short range, it's no more or less accurate, and while it might be somewhat less sensitive to improper loading, it's really no more reliable than a well maintained and properly loaded sidelock. I only get one shot just like a flintlock or sidelock percussion rifle too.

The resurrection of the inline has done a lot in my opinion to rekindle muzzleloading in general, which I think was a dying discipline before Tony Knight brought back the design. There are a lot of ex-shotgun hunters I know who are switched to muzzleloaders because their tired of opening day sounding like WWIII. I've only ever hunted with a muzzleloader because my dad switched over before I started hunting deer, so to go hunting with him I had to learn to use the proper weapon (a T/C Hawken, btw).

Was I being a little harsh? Yes. Was I attacking those who don't shoot inlines? No. Do I stand up and fight for those of us who choose to shoot inlines, and don't want to be treated like red-headed step children? You betcha!

Mike


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There's the difference between our two ways of thinking, too. In your state they break it down into a general muzzleloader season and so-called "primitive" muzzleloader season. Here in Iowa we just have two muzzleloader only seasons, early (resident only) and late. We are blessed in that we may use any legal muzzleloader during ANY gun season, so if I can't get a quotaed early season tag I can get a shotgun 1 or 2 tag and hunt with my muzzleloader then. What gets me is when people want to impose restrictive Colorado style regs on the muzzleloaders. Once again we're blessed in Iowa with few restrictions on what constitutes a legal muzzleloader. We just have to shoot .45 to .75 caliber single shot muzzleloading rifles or pistols. Cap-n-ball pistols are allowed, but only in the designated pistol-legal seasons.

Just to point out too, you mention pre-1840's technology, but like I said, the inline was designed in the 1600's but never caught on. Probably considered too progressive and not traditional enough then, eh?! <img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>

Mike


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&quot;They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.&quot; -Ben Franklin

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