Omega ?
 

Is any omega rifle a z5 or is there a special z5 line?

If so what are the improvments?

Thanks

Tom

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The Z5 is the bottom of the food chain in the Omega. They have the same barrel and trigger assembly, but they put them in a cheaper stock and the sights are not the same. Other then those minor things, your shooting an Omega. I also am not sure but.. does the Z5 come in Stainless?

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The Z5 is a bottom line Omega but from what people on this forum, ones that have them, reportthey seem to be fine rifles.

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I can pick up an Omega in stainless fluted barrel with the thumbhole in camo for $399+tax. Should I pull the trigger?

Today is the last day and they only have one left.

Thanks

Tom

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:D:D:D:D you want us to talk you into this.. not a chance.

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Cayugad,

You're a dirty rat! Don't make me go this alone!

lol

Tom

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statjunk

This T7 find - this site really has good prices...

Here is a regular SS - non fluted...

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_440/products_id/11705

Looking at this price and the price you quoted i think I would be jumping all over it - if'n you like thumbhole.

Doesn't look like they have the thumb & fluted...

And then I forgit to add z5 vs regular Omega... Blue-ed barrels the same, Sights not the same, Black synthetic stock the same.... Trigger Group - according what I was told by TC the difference is really in this group. Regular Omega's have a couple of very small set screws in the pivot pins that allow you to dissasemble the trigger group into parts - the z5 does not - I think that is what the tech was telling me... I had called them to ask about the differece between a z5 black synthetic and a regular black synthetic...

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Pocket book damage is done! I bought some weaver base and rings. I'm going to mount a Simmons Aetec 3.5-10x44 with the illuminated recticle on her. I'll post a pic when I'm done dressing her up.

Tom

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See you did not need us at all to make the purchase. You people and your new toys.. :D:D:D:D


I have made a new change in life. No more rifles for me unless I sell some of the ones I have. And that's not going to happen. Although I do plan giving a few away this Christmas to some of my nephews. So that would count I think...

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I just hope she is a shooter. I might have her out at the range tomorrow. If she shoots as good at my Knight I'll be happy. Very happy actually.

I thought it was a fluted barrel but it wasn't. Still a very good deal.

After looking her over I feel really good about the purchase. It is a very well made rifle.

Tom

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statjunk

I would say that was an excellent deal...for a very good ML.. although if you are shooting a Knight already you know what accuracy is...

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Cayugad:
Are you trying to bribe your young nephews to drag your deer from your deep swamp expiditions. By the way given away guns don't count at ;east from my boss. She says no money no fun honey.

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Well if that's what the boss said, then you better stick to it. Good thing I never listen to the boss.

There is a couple more rifles I would really like to get, but to justify them is the problem. My collection is very complete and I need another rifle like a hole in the head. I am not like Sabotloader you know. :D:D

Now I might start on black powder military rifles and start playing with some of them bigger caliber rifles.. Also a while back I talked my self out of a custom flintlock in .62 caliber with 1-100 rifling. I might have to talk myself back into that.

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One must maintain the peace much more pleasant than the alternative. The other way is like you have so many they can't keep track.

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I have made a new change in life. No more rifles for me unless I sell some of the ones I have. And that's not going to happen. Although I do plan giving a few away this Christmas to some of my nephews. So that would count I think...
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Uncle Cayugad, remember me? Nephew stick. Let me know if you need my new mailing address for the Christmas guns... ;)

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I have the Z5. Sabotloader is correct in that the trigger assembly cannot be disassembled. It also comes in only one model - blued barrel and black synthetic stock. Same Green Mountin barrel.

I love mine. This is the second season with the rifle and it has accounted for 5 deer. I shot a doe yesterdan at 143 yards with the Speer Gold Dot 300 gr bullet and 115 gr. of loose Triple 7.

Stainless is overrated for me because I am anal about cleaning the gun after every hunting shot or range session. I mounted a Nikon Buckmasters 3X9 scope on the "one piece" Talley base/rings and the gun shoots great with this combination. If your barrel is tight like mine get some HPH-24 sabots from Modern Muzzleloading Products (MMP) and loading is a lot easier.

You made a great choice.

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I shot my two muzzloaders today for about six hours at the range. I'm actually a little bit afraid of what I'm going to say. I like the Omega better than my Knight Master Hunter II. Not to mention that my Knight was shooting badly today.

The Omega was very accurate and I think it could get much better. It shot 3 shot groups at 50 yards at an inch and the thickness of a dime. At a 100 yards I was between 1.75" and 2". I was using 2 777 pellets and 250gr shockwaves.

The Omega has a better ramrod and anequal if not better trigger. I really liked not having to use the red or in my case orange primer discs. The primers would just fall right out after the trigger assembly would fall.

The things that didnt meet my expectations are only two. The stock in my opinion is sub par. The hand swell is very narrow and doesn't fill the palm. (I have medium to small hands) The other has to do with the trigger assemply and the primer. I had a couple of primers hang up in the swing mechanism. Theoretically I believe it may be possible over time that a spent or attempted to load primer could fall between the trigger assembly and the stock cause a difficult to clear jam.

Overall I really like the rifle a lot. I may need to try some different bullets to see what might bring her groups in. I have a lot of faith.

Tom

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Here is a pic.

Tom

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Here is the knight and Omega together.

Tom

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Those are some mighty fine rifles there

I like thedrop action design alot also. I was wondering how the Omega did for letting the primers loose, great to hear it did well with that. My Apex has a similar drop action. One thing I did to prevent the primers from falling under the barrel (between barrel and trigger assembly block) was to spin the rifle so trigger guard was up. Pull and the primers popped out like they were ejected!

Also I noticed that the spentprimers were capable of sealing and I could feel myself compressing air as I loaded ballets when spent primers were in the plug. The seal was good enough that the compressed air could lift the bullet and my light aluminum range rod. As a matter of safety, I began removing the spent primer immediately after firing, before swabbing and reloading.

I am also interested the Omega. I am curious, does any blowback soot foul the breech area?

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I'll check into that. I get back to you. I'm curious about that myself. I did feel it blow back a couple of times if that tells you anything.

Tom

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statjunk

If'n your Omega breech plug is like mine, you really might want to switch toPR Bullet's 25 ACP breech plug. MLKieth has been a champion of this set for along time he finally convinced me to try it. It is an excellent device. Makes it more like pglasgows apex. No soot or mess in the breech at all. The shell slides out into your hand after you open the drop and as he professed (MLKieth) it is much simpler to load. And it is not as apt to push tne bullet off the powder before ignition as some of the hotter shotgun primer MIGHT.

The 25 ACP is a very small shell, bout the size (length) of a regular 22 shell. It uses small rifle primers. you can get pick up some simple hand tools to prime and deprime the shell casings. I bought a 100 shells from PR, been using the same 20 over and over. The first timeyou use one it take a little more pressure than normal to close the door as the door closing shapes the tip of the shell to the breech plug and create the seal...

I am really thinking you will like your... Omega

mike

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Thanks,

I looked at the Z5 at Walmart. But snoozed, and loozed when they marked them down. I thought it to be a very good fitting rifle for me. I also thought the grip as little small for my hand, nothing I couldn't have lived with though. It occurs to me that you might like the standard stock better for feel.

Anyway, I was also wondrin if you could describe the design of the QLA. What itis like dimensionally in regards to the bore. I failed to check that part of the rifle when I was checking it out.

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Pglasgow

I forgot to mention... the pistol grip I added a palm swell to my White to increase the of the grip and to fill my hand it really does work well.

Can not rember if I posted this before but here it goes again

It is simple product with an adhesive on the back... it can actually be peeled off and put back on. It actually stays put better than I thought it would even in bad weather....

http://www.brownells.com/aspx/NS/store/ProductDetail.aspx?p=7405&title=HAND-EEZ+PALM+SWELL

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Mike,

That looks very comfortable. I need to add that to my next Brownell's order.

Oh and did I tell you I like autumn aspen?

Phil

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Before you spend the money for the 25 ACP adapter you might want to try the Win 777 primers. I have had very good luck with them as they are easy to get out (less blowback in primer pocket) and drastically reduce the crud ring. Before the 777 primers came out I bought the Veri Flame adapter for my Omega and it seems to work about the same as the 777 primers ( it also uses a small rifle primers). Some who tried the 777 primers didn't have as good success with them as I have but they are worth a try. If you don't likethem you can always buy either the 25 ACP or the Vari Flame adapters.

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mayguy

The point being with the 25 ACP there is no blow back - doesn't even stain the shell casing. The Vari-flame is nothing more that a small rifle primer in a shot shell battery cup - you will get blow by...

I use Remington 209-4 primers - primers made for the 410 shot gun they have less flame than the 777 primers - but I still deposit soot in the breach area - I really do not think I am getting blow-back from the main charge.

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I agree that the soot comes from the primer itself. I just don"t get much from either the 777 primers or the Veri Flame. With any of the 209 primers I have tried (4 kinds) the 777 are the only ones that I can just hold the gun verticle and the spent primers just falls out ( after as many as 40 shots). With the others ( Rem Kleenbore included ) after 3 or 4 shots I have to use a primer removal tool to get them out. The fouling gets that heavy. The Veri Flame are cleaner yet but they are kind of a pain to make sure you don't drop and loose them where the 25ACP would be easier to handle, but I really don't have any problems with primer pocket crud with either the 777 primers or the Veri Flame.

I got lucky a few years back and picked up a Z5 Omega .50 with accessorie kit and t-hole stock for $199 since it was a display model and the last hey had.. Taked to a manager and he asked, "how does $199 + tax sound? I IMMEDIATELY replied, "SOLD!"
The guy went to the back, got the box, paperwork and accessories, and I walked out with a decent shooter for $100 off the regular price of $299. Good day that day was!!!!

Start out with 100 grains of Blackhorn and a win 209 with a 250 grain Shock Wave after you break it in with 50 shots of FPB's. That will give you a standard to compare to.

Not to Hijack this thread, but... Sabotloader, in looking at the picture of the palm swell you installed, it appears you also installed a cheek riser. I have been trying to find a riser. Can you give me some more details on this. I have been looking for a non-permanent riser that does not slip like some the tie on ones I have seen. I typically like to lock my cheek down on the stock of the gun to prevent my head from moving of the target sight picture during trigger depression. However, this causes my line of sight to be at the hammer! I would like to lock my cheek down and be perfectly in line with the scope.

Your reviews and recommendations would be appreciated.

I was just using a simple stick on Scope Eze comb risor. It worked very well for me...

This address will take you to a bunch of different ones...

http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod15487.aspx

Am I missing something or is this a seven year old thread that just got resurrected?

Nope, that pretty much covers it. :D