Anti Sieze
 

Greets fm CO

Just how much anti sieze do I need to apply to the breech plug. I am applying it for the first time to my new Knight Revolution. Seemed like I put too much as some came back out. I used to do this to spark plugs and it worked very well, same principle, I guess. My manual says to only tighten the plug hand tight. Is this enough?
Pardon my ignorance but this is my first inline.
Ray

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I like to coat all the threads level on the plug. Also I expect some anti seize to come back out the back when I screw in the plug. Just some Q-tips and you can clean that up real easy. As for screwing it in hand tight, I screw the plug in, then back it off 1/4 turn. I then have no problems getting it back out.

On the range every 10 shots or so, I like to take the plug and give it a twist back and fourth to make sure it is not seizing.

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OldFart

I do it a little different than cayugad - I guess I have another theory on all of this.... I do not use any grease - I personally think it is a gooy mess. I tried it for awhile but I ended up shooting grease up in the barrel even sometimes felt I was contaminating some of the powder loads. I use teflon tape, either white or pink, depending on how tight yourbreech plug might be. I also tighten the teflon covered breechplug face up against the mating surface in the barrel. By tighten I mean hand snug compressing the teflon but not crushing it or tearing it. I believe it is important to stop the blowback and gasses on the face of the BP not the threads. With this system I am able to shoot a whole range session without doing anything with my breech plug till I get home.

This system works for me, but it did take me awhile to learn how to do thisand to gain the the trust - NOBODY wants a stuck BP -

Good luck in however you decide to seal your BP but until you are confident check it as cayugad suggested...

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I've been doing the same thhing as Sabotloader - especially during hunting season when I may only shoot once before cleaning. Makes for a qick cleaning.

Although I have shot as many as 12 times on the range with no grease, I still use a little on the tape if I think I might shoot more then that.

Steve

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I also have tried sabotloader's method with success. In my omega I need to use the white teflon tape and it is a snug fit. The advantage for this in the hunting season is exactly what Steve said. At the end of the day when I haven't taken a shot (most days) there is no powder stuck to the threads of the breech making clean up a breeze. Tom

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I tryed the plummers tape last year.It was a pain in the butt to apply correctly and then remove after removing breech plug.

Guess the antisieze/lubricant compound I've been using has spoiled me:).

1 bottle of the stuff will last a life time.I also apply it to nipples,nuts,bolts
turnbuckle threads used on chains to secure deer stands.I hunt with two guys who were notorious for getting plugs frozen.They used nuttin - nada on breech threads.I put some antisieze in a couple 35mm film canisters and gave it to them both.They now use it!

I would suggest if you've used it on spark plugs you might consider stickin with it on breech plug.Very easy to apply - just enough to completely cover threads.

I've never ever had a breech plug stick after applying this stuff.


Best of luck on whatever you use.

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I never put any lube on my breach plug while hunting... I own a Kight DISC so I'll only be shooting the gun once;)I'm not going to take a chance on breach lube fowling my powder[:o]As far as the tape. I'm not going to take a chance on that !@#$clogging my flash hole...

I thank god that he blessed me with common sense

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The grease/anti-seize gets pushed backwards a bitas you screw the plug in. Same with the tape. Besides, no one I know uses that much overlap at the breechplug flashhole-end - that would bend it down enough to cover the hole. Then, the primer flash would pentrate that tape anyways - even if it did.

Please... all ML forum members here have enough common sense. :D

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Wow - I also own a Knight disc.

Been using Antsieze on the Knight BP for years and on nipple threads of 2 other muzzle loaders and on spark plugs for decades.Guess I got enough common sense not to over do it.Never had problem with getting it in flash hole or anywhere else but the threads it was intended to protect.
Never had a spark plug misfire either - lucky or maybe common sense:eek:

We see this topic 1-2 a year with differing opinions on what to use.
Many others have stated they use "Antiseize".


If you chose not to use it - Please don't - or - Use nothing.This forum only offers others some useful info - advice - choices

Have A Good One

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Triple Se7en

Actually if you apply the correct thickness of tape the correct way it will not move backwards at all. If everything is right it should screw just like a lubricated bolt. If the tape catches, tears, or wads up you need to change your approach. I always end polishing the breech plug threads and the threads that the BP screws in to prevent this.

You are absolutely correct here the discharge of the prime BLOWS the tape away even if it is covering the flash hole.

The way I check my tape job is to check the bore from the muzzle with a light - If I do not see tape all the way around on the breech plug then i did not get it installed evenly or correctly - i really do not care if the flash is covered or not. Pop one cap or primer as I think most of us do before we load and the tapeis blown away - if you are using shotgun primers it will blow it away even if it is loaded - It will not stop the load from going off. The excess tape is blown back up against you BP and forced into any place that the gas my try to escape backwards... it does really seal the the breech threads...

Excess grease can contaminate your load, but those that are using it know and understand that and they take the steps to prevent it - althought the greas thing is not for me. I worry about contamination and the mess bothers me.

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I might have to try the tape thing

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Wimuzzleman

There is a kinda ART to doing it correctly - or what I think is correctly so if you are speerimenting be sure to follow Cayugad's thought of just cracking the BP after 10 shots the re-snug it up. When you crack it though you stand a chance destroying the tape - but i do not want you to freeze your plug in place. If for some reason you do - please don't take the action out of the stock pour boiling water down the barrel - give it time to dissolve them try loosen the BP..

I might have a write up for taping I will have to look I know I have pictures...

i did find a copy if your interested let me know - I'll to e-mail it to you it is to long for a PM...

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thanks sabotloader any help would be great.

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i used tape for a while too. You actually do want to back it off just a little after 3 or 4 shots. i left mine snug once and after6 shots i packed up, went inside to start cleaning it and it was froze up. Had to pull the barrel and use a small propane torch to heat the breech area for a minute and then it backed out. I stopped using tape after i hung my rifle up, then when to pull the breech plug and found the tape had dried to a crisp while it sat. Plus it was a pain cleaning it out of the threads. Im back to using the grease and just taking the time to back it out a little after 4 shots. Cleaning up the grease is easier than trying to get tiny little pieces of tape out of the threads. I guess the tape would be fine if you back the plug out some as soon as u are done shooting and dont let the barrel cool down.

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I am with sabotloader and others, useteflon tape. DareI say, never had a stuck plug:D. When at the range Ibreakthe breachwhile it is still warm as a precautionary measure. In the field not a concern.

I reverse wrap the teflon (to the leftfor righty..tighty;))and make sure it is polished before screwing it in. I don't get any backing out and retain full coverage.

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frontier gander

I gotta tell you FG I shoot 20-30 times at the rock pit and never touch my breech plug and it turns out just fine - started doing this with the Firebolt so I know it will work with a CVA... The key is if the plug goes in smoothly and if you look down the barrel do you see the tape all the way around the BP...

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thats exactly what i did. What really turned me off was when i pulled the plug and it looked exactly what the bottom right hand pic looked like. i had 3 great tries with the tape but got turned off by having to use a tooth pick to scrape out the tape that was stuck in the threads. I got a entire tube of grease to use so i dont mind. I'll experiment with the tape again someday.

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frontier gander


No No you don't pick it out - you get a breech brush push it in pull it out and it brings the old tape out... do this a couple of times and the breech threads will be clean and ready to go again...

http://www.basspro.com/servlet/catalog.TextId?hvarTextId=55530&hvarTarget=sea rch&cmCat=SearchResults

The bigger bottle brush on the left

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Wimuzzleman

e-mail sent, but sometimes the e-mail from this site does not always work - so if you do not get it let me know and i will get you real e-mail from you in a PM and send it again...

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toothpick worked for awhile untill i bought a .54 bore brush and found that it fit and worked. im cleaning my breech plug now and going to seal it with tape and see what i can see when i look down the bore.

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frontier gander


Good luck I really hope it works for you - member snug the breech plug up against the barrel - compress the tape but do not crush it or tear it...

Also if it goes into tight and you are using the pink tape you might have to switch to the white tape - i can not remember which one I use on the Firebolt, but i think it was pink - one wrap from nose down to the end of the plug - you can not see it in the pics but I even over-wrap the cap end a little bit...

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sabotloader I got your email. Thank you so much I owe you one.

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okay i just finished up. also found an excellent breechplug cleaner. BAM! that product worked like a charm. I use the pink TC tape. it screwed in with a little pressure. i did it all by hand so it wasnt much pressure, its snug. Took a flashlight and i can see the pink tape i left folded over the edges a little. Now the crappy thing, i only have 3 powerbelts to shoot lol. I cant spend any $$ right now, not with the new baby on the way and a fur hat im watching on ebay. Those 3 powerbelts will have to do for now. Hey i also found one of my muzzleloader 209 caps, i matched it up with the regular shotgun primer and the shotgun primer had a huge hole while the regular muzzleloader 209w was half the size. The kleenbores also have a hole the size of the regular shotgun primer. Maybe this is why i got powder burn in my eye the other day? Would also be nice to find primers with the hole in the middle and not off center, im sure that would improve flame getting into the flashhole.

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i have always used white lithium grease made by Permatex. Never loosenedthe plugat the range or anything. Sometimes fired as many as 40-50 rounds without removing the plug. Had a problem getting the plug outa few times. Almost made my old Staghorn a one piece musket: Had to put the receiver in a vise to get it out. Think i will try loosening the plug at ther range every ten shots or so.

The breech plug of my Encore comes out much easier than the two CVAs that i own.

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frontier gander

If you rotated that in by hand - it really sounds like you got it in correctly. One thing that i do is after I have the plug taped - I turn it between my thumb and forefinger and apply pressure pushing the tape down into the threads. That makes it a little easier to put the plug in and not wad up the tape. When you looked down the barrel you could see pink all the way around the BP - Correct? If so you should be ready to go...

Primers - the best primer I have used is the Remington 209-4, but I do not know if it is available any longer. These primers were built for 410 shotgun shells and are not as hot as others. I also must admit I have never tried the new fan-dangled ML primers...

Congrats on the addition to the family... when is the event suppose to occur? You realize if this is going to be a Christmas baby he/she will be mad at you later in life cause you guys and the rest of the family are going to want to combine birthday with Christmas - there he/she WILL figure out he/she is getting less presents.... You'll see...I promise

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Hopefully i can order my new baby today if my money order is in the mail. Yes i can see pink all the way around and i also used my thumb and index finger to push it into the threads. Im going to try the kleenbores once i go out to shoot, see how they shoot. Dont worry,i'll keep the new baby updated when i order it.

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frontier gander

Crap... you got me! I thought you were preparing for the arrival of a real baby - not a gun baby....

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I used the pink tape for years - often in conjunction with a little Gorilla Grease on the threads. No problems. But I ran out last summer, and tried a product called One Grease by Slick 50. This stuff is really showing promise as a breech plug grease. And a standard auto size tube could be portioned out into maybe 20 film canister size containers, for about the same price as a small tube of the regular anti sieze MZ breech plug grease.