777 use in Omega?
 

I just got an stainless, 50 cal. Omega. I really wanted the Lamanate non thumbhole stock. They were on sale at Cabellas for less than the cost of there synthetic stock. Nice looker but did'nt fit like the synthetic stock did, when I would shoulder it. I think becouse the upper part of the stock prevented me the abillity to line up my eye with the sights. Wourse yet with any Thumbhole or pistal grip design. So I got the synthetic stock. The guys behind the counter didnt like the fact that I wanted to test the trigger pull on three different guns. They were dumbfounded when all three guns were different, just after they just got done telling me that they were not. Had to be there! I got the one that had a trigger pull of 3.75 lbs verses 4.25 lbs. It is amazing what you will learn on this sight. Thanks!

I am thinking about what load I should start out with for the range, deer and bear. I read the Omega manual and it said' "black powder or parodox only!" for some reason? I dontwant to do anythingagainst the Manufacturer recomendations, but I had my mind set on 777. I hunt in below freezing temps for the most part.

Can I use, and would you recomend useing 777, or should I stay withtwo 50 gr. paradox pellets to start out with?

RE: 777 use in Omega?
 

Those T/C manuals have been saying Black Powder or Pyrodex only for years. Pyrodex is a substitute powder just like Triple Se7en, Black Mag3, American Pioneer, Pinnacle, and Shockey Gold. All of them are fine to use in the Omega. Granted one powder might perform better then the others, but that will only be learned through trial and error.

Go ahead and shoot Triple Se7en or Pyrodex Pellets if you want. You can save some money by shooting loose powder though. A 250 grain Shockwave or a all lead projectile should be good deer and bear medicine. There are so many different projectiles out on the market to choose from, I feel guilty naming one or two.

To get the feel of the rifle, get some loose powder. Put 100 grains of loose powder in the barrel and seat a 250 Shockwave on that and have at it. You might want some of the Wincheser 777 primers (although I have not tired them personally). I hear they keep the crud ring down. Another projectile would be a 240 grain XTP. Both of them should shoot good and be good deer and bear loads, although there are better projectiles out there. I am sure the forum will tell you all about them.

Have fun shooting your rifle. You picked a great one there. Good luck.

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Thanks for the advise. I may go to the loose powder eventually. I am just looking for a good starting point to get me shooting. So I think I will stick with the pellets for now.

I Tryed loading a Shockwave with the sabit that came in the package with the gun and it was really hard to load.

Is there an easier to load sabit that I could use with the shockwave?

Thanks

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Did you use a short starter to get it into the barrel? With the QLA system many people think the pop that sabot in there and then push it down with the ramrod. That will ocassionally work, but most sabots I load I have to use a short starter to get them "into the barrel."

If the sabots are loading real tight, get some BLACK in color Crushed Rib Sabots. They should help make loading a lot easier. The Black sabots are for the .452 diameter bullets. GREEN are for the .430

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Great info! No I did not use a short starter. I seee now that I may have too.
They make different sabots for different diamater bullets? Do peaple mix and match different sabots with different diamature bullets to fit down there barral or is changeing what is recomended pretty much taboo. Forgive me im new. but I know that this one shot challange is right for me!;)

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For instance, you can purchase a Hornady XTP in .430 diameter in 240 grain or the same bullet in .452 diameter The smaller ones are normally Green in Color.. the bigger the Black ones are the .452. Then there is an orange sabot which is .458 and will take .457-.458 bullets, plus there is a .400 sabot that you can shoot a 10mm bullet in XTP out of. Just make sure you match the diameter of the bullet your shooting to the sabot your shooting and you should be all right. Don't mix and match bullets of say a .430 into a .452 sabot.

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A lot of us Omega shooters find the MMp HPH 24 an excellant match with 120 or 130 gr powder and a 451 or 452 bullet Shock Wave XTP and Speer gold dot in the 250 gr all shoot an inch group in mine.
As for the powder Black or Pyrodex has work in all most all black Mag if you can get itsome have good luck with 777 I have not gotten past the "crudring" myself but have had good luck with APP ff except for a bad can.
Lee

RE: 777 use in Omega?
 

That style is my favorite for starting sabots...

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HoleHopper,

I haven't shot alot of sabots. But recently purchased some BB 375 SSBs. My Sidekick has land diameter of .501 which is smaller (i think) than your omega. They slide right down with the ram rod and really shoot well in the NEF sidekick. Don't know if you like all lead bullets, but these have very good ballistic profile (actual B.C. of .290+) and are easy to load in a barrel which should be tighter than your Omega.

Triple Se7en shoots them in his with good results.

RE: 777 use in Omega?
 

I woulkd not shoot 777 in an Omega.I cannot load a second shot without swabbing the barrel.I mean you cannot seat the bullet properly, period.A lot of folks have the same problem.It's a shame because i really like 777 elsewise.It cleans easy and shoots well.


CB

RE: 777 use in Omega?
 

Triple Se7en is one of them powders that works real good for you or not at all. Granted some of the rifles will get a crud ring but not one that I have not been able to remove with just a simple swabbing of the barrel. Also some rifles do not. My White Rifle for instance I have shot over twenty rounds of conical with 777 with no problem.

The one thing I like about 777 powder is the power, the clean up, and the ignition seems real good in loose form.

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Love when guys reply how they cant load a 2nd charge without swabbing the barrel.

Here it is in plain English .... Wet patch dry patch after EVERY shot. Not just because it will load better but also and most of all for ACCURACY! Give your barrel and the load you put in it the same environment every single time!

By the way... 2- 50gr pellets of 777 and 1- 250gr shockwave is a great starting point and should give you great results.

RE: 777 use in Omega?
 

I had the same problem with loading the 2nd shot but after switching to 777 primers I can now reload without swabbing.(everytime). I didn't think that primers would make that big of a difference, but they really do!

RE: 777 use in Omega?
 

When I am sighting in a gun or working up a load I will swab between shots.But....in a hunting situation I don't want a set up where I HAVE to swab the barrel in order to load the gun properly ie no vapor space between powder and bullet.While muzleloading is usually a one shot deal,I have had to make some follow up shots on animals.777 is a fine powder and the Omega is a good gun,just the combo of the two has issues.I have tried the kleenbore primers I may give the 777 primers a shot.Iwould rather use 777 as it is more readily available.I do like the 250 grain shockwave and 100 grains of 777.that is a killer load.



CB