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I shot at a deer last weekend at 50 yards i had a good rest on the side of a tree, i missed the deer but i hit a branch 3 feet above it. i went back to the yard and shot 3 shots at a target @ 50 yards the hits were all over the place. i was shooting harvseter 300 gr. sabertooths they look like power belts with 100 gr. of 777. now my best group is with 295gr power belts with 95gr. of 777 but i was out and the sabertooths were all i could find so i just added 5grs. of powder to make up the diffrence. this was on a sundy i started shooting at noon i shot everything i had 240-300grain sabots to 223gr-338gr powerbelts and charges from 80 grains-100grains, i am afraide to go over a 100gr because of the kick. i clean my gun spotless after every shot but i couldn't get anything under a 6 inch group. i shoot a cva wolf.
pat

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Pat, the sad part is,some guns are shooters,and some aren't. My wife shoots a Knight Wolverine. It's a low end gun,but they are shooters. I've watched her shoot 3 bullets into the same hole at 100yds. off the bench. I've had some "real bargin" guns,and most were disapointments. On the other hand I've picked up some really nice guns,at pawn shops,dealers,ect, used that were excellent shooters. The NEF muzzle loader,Knight Wolverine,and a few others are proven tack drivers. Look for sales,and buy the best you can afford. It makes all the diffrence in the world! Ron

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That was my experince with a CVA. The only thing it shot well enough were Powerbelts. I got sick of messing with it and sold it a long time ago.

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Get away from those Powerbelts and that Sabertooth and try some Shockwaves or some from bullets from Precision, unless Mn doesn't allow sabots.

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Pat, I would try some loose Pyrodex out of it. A lot of guns like 85-95 grs of Pyrodex. Another option is to try some 777or Pyrodex pellets.I have a friend of mine that has a CVA and his won't shoot anything but loose Pyrodex. If he shoots anything else, it looks like a shotgun pattern. Also make sure that your loading routine is exactly the same every time. Any slight differences in loading can have a significant effect on POI. Also, if you are using a scope, make sure all of your screws are tight. I use Loc-tite on mine. Letting the barrel cool a few minutes between shots is also a good idea. I wouldn't throw the gun away just yet.

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Right on txfireman. i would get some loose Pyrodex and 250 grain Shockwaves or SSTsand give it a try. Sighted in a lot of different makes of guns for my friends and this combination always seemed to work well. Start with 80 grains of powderand work it up to 90 or 100.

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CVA's are picky about loads that's true so that could be part of your problem. But before I go buying all kinds of new powder/bullets I'm going to double check the screws on my scope mount and rings if I was you. Lock those things down. Good luck with it and don't give up yet. I know that it isn't a top-of-the-line gun but I have seen them shoot great groups so it is possible. Let us know what you figure out.

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i used pyrodex when i first got the gun, i hated it nothing but trouble,and what a bear to clean, i'm going to try some American pioneer powder,
i've heard a lot of good things about shockwave bullets. if i don't find a load fo this gun i'm throwing a $100 tag on it. i knew i should have gotten the kodiak.
pat

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Your switching to a different brand of projectile was your first mistake. When you're sighted in with Powerbelts, unfortunatly your stuck shooting them. I have a CVA Staghorn Magnum and it shoots Powerbelts in 245 grain with 90 gr of Goex 2f excellent. You switch to something else and you have to make sure to test the load.

Try some 240 grain XTP's with 80 grains of powder. Shoot them first somewhere before you hunt. They should shoot well out of your rifle. At least my friends Beartooth shoots them well and they are basically the same thing. Of course that's no guarantee that your rifle will shoot them.

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Blaming the gun because you ran out of Powerbelts & never tested the Sabertoothsis a lame excuse. The barrel on the Kodiak isessentially the same compsitionas what's on yourWolf. The price difference between the Kodiak and Wolf is all the stuff that gets attached to the barrel. If you are serious about upgrading, buy a Thompson Center.

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With a muzzleloader you are handloading each shot...No handloader would expect to get a good group with the first load that he made, nor would he hesitate to change components to get a good group....As mentioned, first check and see if everything is tight with the rifle and scope...Then select a bullet and try 80, 85, 90, 95, 100...etc grains of powder with that bullet and sabot....Clean between each shot...Keep notes...It might take 100 shots and 4-5 range sessions....That's just the way it is with muzzleloaders...If that sounds like too much work then maybe you could just use a centerfire.....

When you find what works, don't change...Get away from pellets, I prefer either real black powder (Goex) or Pyrodex....The cleanup is just part of the fun...

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Triple Se7en is correct. Never assume anything about accuracy whenone changes projectiles. One should always range test every load he hunts with. That isn't the rifle's fault. Now if this a Wolf, you are overloading based on typical practice. 100 grains of 2f grainulation BP or Pyrodex is the maximum loose powder load. 85 grains of 2f 777 or 75-80 grains of 3f 777 are rough equivalents and will produce velocities superior to 100 grains 2f BP. And thats plenty to get the job done. Use appropriate quantities of powder, range test your hunting loads, while following the previously made suggestions for loads, and I'd bet you will be driving tacks.

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Every post i see about accuracy problems is using this 777 junk. Why dont you just ditch it and go back to either goex or pyrodex RS? I swear ive never seen so many people having trouble trying to sight in. Try the 295 grain powerbelts and start off with 80 grains pyrodex RS and possibly work it up to 100 grains. And use loose powder. Back when i got my first muzzleloader i didnt have the net or any forums to get help from , i had to use the owners manual and slowly work on loads and different bullets untill i found what worked. But ditch the 777 and buy some loose pyro rs

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There are many things that can affect your combo one of them is cold weather.
I would try some thing like pyrodex with 250gr Shock Waves that shoots in most guns to have a standard to judge other loads by,then work with it till you find a load both you and the gun like or trade it in on an Omega. Lee

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I think it very well could be the gun. I shoot a hundred dollar T/C Woods rifle and have never had a problemlike that. I can shoot any load out of it and have never had a change of impact. I have shot many, many different bullet types out of it. It may be a cheap gun but at least it's a quality manufacturer. I shot powerbelts out of it last year and it shot exactly the same.I would have said to get the NEF Sidekick over that CVA. I know of no reason why it would be that off with those bullets. I am done commenting. Good luck.

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Every rifle will range differently outdoorslover. Its like my winchester, it will shoot almost everything i shove down the barrel. Try that with an omega and it will puke. But i think the problem with this wolf is the 777 powder. Some rifles like it, some dont. Gotta try the stuff thats been around a lot longer and see how it does. Goex and pyrodex.

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I have a CVA and increased the APP by five grains(95 grains now) and
it is working fine!:)

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BW, I would like to say that I shoot nothing but powerbelts!! I would like to make a suggestion. Start with a smaller powder charge. I use Triple 7 fffg. I started with 70 grains of powder, and ended up with using 80 grains of 777 fffg, with a 295 grain powerbelt! I shoot a CVA. Even with my Knight TK2000, I started with a 80 grain charge, and settled with 100 grains. Give it a try.......

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I shoot a CVA wolf also and I am really happy with mine. I am using 100gr APP and 300gr barnes expander. I have also used 100gr of T7 it shoots the same as the APP at the distance I shoot, I sight in for 50yds as most my shots are with in that range.

Don't give up on the Wolf yet just be consistant and take the time to work up a good load and possibly a back up one as well, just in case.

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what do ya all think of the platnum powerbelts? I don't have a place to shoot where i live so i have to drive up to the farm it's 3 hrs away, i checked the sights they are tight, scopes arn't allowed on muzzle loaders unless you are using them durning the gun season during the muzzle loader season only open sights are allowed.

pat

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I like the powerbelts, i havent tried the new ones yet but plan to. What grain are u getting? 270grain? if you're picking up some pyro rs, start it off with 80 grains. Thats what i always start at when i sight in a new rifle. Once its on sight at 25 yards i start adding more powder.

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I shoot a Knight "Wolverine" 50cal......240gr XTP w/90grs of Goex 2fand a CVA "Apollo Eclipse" 50cal......240gr XTP.......w/ 90grsof PyrodexRSandnever had any problems with either.

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UPDATE: i found it likes 85grains of 777 with a 270gr. powerbelt platinum.
i am so happly now, thanks for all your help.
pat.

the reason i don't like pyrodex and blckpowder is i am allergic to the salpha