T/C Omega
 

Greets fm CO
I have about talked myself out of buying a Remington Genesis since I've found out it is really a Traditions. Did sort of like the fact I had a tremendous deal on one w/stainless barrel. (Well over $100. off on a brand new one)
Have almost decided to get a blued/black stock version of the Omega. Really could afford a stainless version but I just have to stop somewhere. I also like being able to afford 3 hunting trips back to TN every year plus a "few" trips here in CO.

1. I suppose the blued version would shoot just as well as others???
2. How do you like your Omegas?
3. What accuracy do you get with them?
4. What powder/bullet combos do you use with it?

Thanks Ray

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I love my Omega!!!

I found mine shoots 250 Gr Shockwaves with 2 50 Gr pellets of T7 with great consistency, and holds a 1 1/2" group at 100 yards.

Second and third shots are a little tough to load if I dont swab but doesnt seem to effect accuracy unless I shoot more than 3 or 4 shots without cleaning. So, follow-up shots if needed are definately doable, however haven't need a follow-up shot yet.

Good Luck and let us hear how you are getting on

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Hello Oldfart/Ray,...I have two .50Omegas,and like both of them,..now.Was very frustrated early on.Easy to clean once you get a system,and all the necessary stuff.You will find lots of info.on this site as to what that may be.Won't go into all that unless you want my input.PM me if interested.The accuracy has become outstanding.Notice I said "has become".Quite honestly it has taken me two seasons to find the right cleaning process,the right bullet,the right sabot,and the right accessory gear to make things,how can I say,..RIGHT.At this point I consistantly get moa at 100 out of a syn/ss with 110gr.pyro.pellets/under 250 gr.Speer gold dots stuffed in an mmp24 sabot,touched off with winchester 209's.And 1 1/4" groups out of the laminate /ss.same primer,same sabot,but 90grs.of pyro.pellets,and 300gr.Hornady xtp's.Just goes to show different barrels like different stuff.This is what took so long.Lots of opptions and possibilites available out there.There are some folks on this site that flat out know what they aretalking about.It didn't take me long to figure out who they are.Listen to them,you'll be wiser for doing so.And there are those that just won't change anything because as they say"I've been doing it this way for years,and I always get my buck".And I can't disagree with there approach.3 and 4"grps.have taken a lot of deer.ButI might venture to say 1 inch groups have crippled less.Good luck to you on your Omega,figure it out and it will do the job for you.Be safe and be successful.

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I have the Z5 and like it it will shoot under 2 inches at 100yd with all the loads it likes.I use Shock Waves 200,250 & 300gr I particularly like the 250 with 120gr RS pyrodex some times I use 250gr XTP they shoot with the same load as the 250 Shock Wave and I use the HPH24 Sabot with both. It will also shoot ballets 230gr XTP and Power Belts the PB's like 150 gr and act like a vamit bullet. Lee

RE: T/C Omega
 

Is the "Z5" a new designation? See some Omegas listed as Z5s and others just as Omegas. If I am shopping for one, does it matter?

RE: T/C Omega
 

It is the no frills version of the Omega. It has cheaper sights and recoil pad. Other wise, it is the same gun as the others with composite stocks. See link below. If you have the money, I would buy the stainless with the laminated stock. I have a Z5 and I am ordering a laminated stock from TC for it.

http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/omegaZ5.php

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Just keep in mind that the omega isnt know for shooting conical bullets that good. If you read all the posts above, they are using sabots. And if you are from colorado, sabots are not legal. Its better to choose a rifle that can shoot both types of bullets. What part of colorado are you from?

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I did notice that most of the posters were shooting sabots. Did see a mention of powerbelts. Anyone else had experience with Omegas and Powerbelts?? From what I've read before the heavier powerbelts seem to have better terminal performance on game. I'm in Aurora, CO, a burb of Denver. I would be using the gun in W TN (I own a small farm back there and also have access to other private land) as well as sometimes in CO, I like to hunt archery here and its 'Either/or".

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The 295gr. Powerbelts over 90gr. Black Mag'3 shoot well up to 100 yards. Normally about 2" groups from my stainless .50 with synthetic stock. 348gr. Powerbelts also shoot well. If I were in Colorado I would be looking for a White as they are the absolutely best conical shooter from what I have been hearing. I personally do not have one but in Arizona I can use sabots. I missed the deals on the Whites at Sportsmans Warehouse and have kicked myself ever since. Powerbelts seem to have some performance that is good and some that is not so good on game. There have been several reports of bullets fragmenting. I would not buy a rifle that will only shoot Powerbelt conicals and none other if I were limited to conicals.

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Im 30 minutes west of Trinidad. Thats about 3 hours south of denver. I've only seen 3 or 4 people on here with an omega that were getting good patterns with the powerbelts. Most of them are using sabots and pellets. I dont like pellets, waste of money. If you like the remington u might as well go for it. Dont be turned off that its "made" by traditions. I own a traditions and i love that sucker. I just learned that it will shoot powerbelts very very well with that slow twist barrel! Quality of the gun, i have nothing to complain about. These are hardly ever advertised but i own the winchester x-150 and i shot cheap shot sabots, powerbelts,ball-ets and grain plains bullets out of it with any where from inch and a half groups to 2 inch groups at 100 yards. You hold that sucker in your hands and it will be the most solid muzzleloader you will ever hold in your hands. I ordered mine with the SS fluted barrel and camo stock. Best money my ex girl friend ever spent! This is one you should also consider. Even Randy Wakeman considers it an great deal. They give you a capper tool, after a while, you dont even need that tool to load or unload, unless you have fat stubby fingers lol. Never had a flaw with this rifle in the 3 years ive owned it. Mine shoots great out to 150 yards. Ive tried 200 but never really played with that long of a shot before. Best load ive found is either a 245or 295 powerbelt with 120 grains pyrodex RS. Heres the link to check it out: http://www.winchestermuzzleloading.com/products/x150.htm
And there is also the winchester Apex, Ive never shot one but i have held one and its a quality built rifle. Alot of people will tell u that the apex is a higher prices cva kodiak... Not sure at all. You put those 2 guns next to eachother and look and feel, you'll notice the big difference in quality. I wont even buy myself another inline, This one is my only inline "baby" lol.
Heres the apex.http://www.winchestermuzzleloading.c...ducts/apex.htm

Thesearest a couple other rifles to consider if you want to swap from sabot to conical.
Let us all know wha you buy.

Jon

RE: T/C Omega
 

I copied and pasted my response beloy to a similar question in another thread. The Z5 version comes in only one choice (blued with black synthetic stock) to keep production costs down. Also there is a difference in how the action is secured to to the barrel. The barrel and action are the same as any other omega to the best of my knowledge.



I have the OmegaZ5 and really like it. It is reliable, easy to clean, and shoots great.

The Z5 is represents T/C's effort to enter the moderate priced muzzleloader market while maintaining their reputation for high quality. They accomplished this by

1. Only one choice in stock design, color, and finish options. The Z5 is available only in blued steel with a black synthetic stock.

2. The fiber optic sites, I'm told, are of lesser quality than those sold on other Omegas. I couldn't care less, as I took them off and scoped my gun. Take a look at the Talley lightweight two-piece mounts designed for the Omega. The base and bottom half of the rings is machined out of one piece of aluminum alloy. Very strong, stable, and I think it looks great.

3. There is a slight difference in the design of the falling breech. In the Omega the breech apparently pivots on pins that can be removed with an allen wrench. On the Z5 the pins are pressed in place and cannot be removed. I learned this because my Z5 came with an allen wrench, but there isn't an allen screw in the gun. A call to T/C confirmed the difference. Frankly I don't care, as T/C has a great reputation for costomer service.

I highly recommend the Z5 if you want a no-frills rifle that shoots great and is made to high quality standards by a company with a great reputation for standing behind their products.

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I know everyone is talking .50 caliber, so maybe this won't apply. In my .45 Omega I've found the 195gr. Barnes Expander with 100gr. Pyrodex to be fantastic. Harvester sabot.

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mouthcaller,Is correct ,Ihave been shooting one for a year, I bought for 160 dollars at Walmart clearence sale last year. I bought it as trading stock could not pass at that price;Now I am stuck with it it shoots like a varmit rifle so I have to keep it. Lee

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I have an Omega .50 cal and love it! I shoot 150 grains of triple7 powder pushing 245 grain Power Belt bullets and have had great results. I shot and killed a doe during early mzl season at 185 yards.

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Have had my 209x50 ss for 5 years and love it , under 1" groups at 100 yards with both 200 and 250 Shockwaves with 110gr. 2f 777. Also my 209x45 Encore shoots 1" groups with 200 gr. shockwaves at 100 yards with 100 gr. 3f 777 .

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I have an Omega, and like it, but it has been a real adventure trying to get an accurate conical. Short version: my brother and I both bought identical 50 caliber stainless Omegas. His is not picky and will shoot almost any conical accurately. Mine took 3 years and many powders and bullets to find the right fit. I get decent groups with 777 and 348 and 405 powerbelts if I don't push them too hard (90-95 grains of loose 777). However, had to go back to pyrodex to get better accuracy. APP and Blackmag3 both were terrible out of my gun with conicals.

Most accurate in my gun: 110 grains of pyrodex and 338 grain platinum powerbelts.

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This is what concerns me about getting into muzzleloading. With 3 school-age kids, I don't have a lot of time to spend at the range trying endless combinations of loads.

The generally accepted goal is to be able to get at least pie-plate groups (8") at 100 yards. Does a "bad" load shoot worse than this, or are we talking about the difference between 1-2" groups and 3, 4 or 5" groups?

Where I currently hunt, I'm in woods and almost all of my shots would be 50 yards or less. How much time can I expect to spend at the range in the beginning finding a load that will shot accurately enough to put a deer down at 50 or 100 yards?

After all, I doubt there's a practical difference in hunting between a rifle that will shoot 1.5" groups and one that will shoot 3" groups. The rifle with the better group looks good on paper, but there's probably only a 1-in-a-1000 chance that the 1.5" rifle will put something down that the 3" rifle won't in indentical circumstances.

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Your ML may only need one trip -- butmay also need more than one. No way to tell until you get out there & shoot it. Provided the bore is "factory-smooth", the easiest loads to develop between 50-100 yardsare around 80-90 powder grains with a T/C-packaged bullet weightbetween 240-300 grains. Buy two varieties -- perhaps one hollow-point(Cheapshot) at 240gr - the other an aerotip at 300 grains (Shockwave). Stay away from seasoning your barrel - use Windex or alcohol to swab after every 2nd shot with a bore brush & large patches.

Get out there & have some fun. If the bore needs more time to break-in, return as often asyou can - even if it meansnot using an ML this season. Waiting until the lasthours before hunting seasonto break-in - then sight-in a new ML is not good.

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Do not hesitate in buying an Omega. After 4 years of shooting 100+ rounds a year in the off season and carrying it as a weapon of choice during NY deer season I willonly give high praises for its quality and accuracy.I have shot every bullet and powder combination and have come down to a simple approach. 2 50 grain pellets of triple seven, 240 xtp mag hornady and remington 209 clean shot primer. I have recently started testing the newer polymer tips and the verdict is still out. Deer
season is almost here so I will test them next year.
Performance is the issue.I was told of a poor man's way to test bullet penetration from a dealer friend so I will pass this on. 3 large telephone books taped together with a 3/4" piece of plywood for the base. Set your target on the plywood and shoot 75 yards. Check the penetration and the condition of the bullet. For you powerbelt lovers. Your bullet has blown up into fine pieces and usually does not make the 3rd
book every time. Every other bullet has performed well but the xtp mags have mushroomed perfectlygood luck shoot straight and often

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All 3 of my deer ive shot with powerbelts passes through the deer and dropped them. I never believed in shooting at paper and expect the same results as what the bullet would do on a deer. Ive shot a deer with a 385 grain great plains bullet, weight through one shoulder and wedged into the other. I was shocked that it didnt go through both. And we are talking a 25 yard shot! I personally like the powebelts, they done an excellent job on all the deer we've shot over the years and put them down. The only shot that didnt pass through one of our deer was my dads first ML buck, He hit it in the chest/shoulder area and it bounced around and get up its neck. And dont fault the powerbelts on that, ive had the same thing happen witha .270 on an elk. My brother shot an elk with his 270 and it was a shoulder shot, we found the bullet in the back of its eye when we were skinning it. That i believe was a 165 grain bullet. I dont see any real point in shooting at phone books, other than for fun. But its not going to give you the same results as shooting at flesh and bone.

RE: T/C Omega
 

1. I suppose the blued version would shoot just as well as others???
A. Yes. Same barrel and sights(no longer do they have different sights as many say). Along with that it has a stainless steel breech block that, other than itself, can only be had with the thumbhole stainless steel version(as far as I know).

2. How do you like your Omegas?
A. I am very pleased with my z5. Dependable in wet conditions, the ability to use mag charges for flat trajectories, and about the easiest cleaning I've ever encountered with a muzzleloader.

3. What accuracy do you get with them?
A.Although I've had a miracle 3/4" group with mine before, I generally group anrespectable 1.5" off of a bench. Upgrading to a scope recently for firearm season(no scopesin MZLseason Nebraska)tightened my average, though.

4. What powder/bullet combos do you use with it?
A. For deer, my powder measurements range from 90g to 120g usually. Sometimes hotter when I sacrifice some accuracy for aflatter trajectory. I generally favor the 250gr shockwave, but 295 or 348grpowerbelts are also a decent shooter out of this rifle.

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Gander - I agree that shooting at paper doesn't make upfor shooting at the real thing, but I shot through a piece of plywood first that might represent hitting a bone of a deer. Of the 12+ slugs I have tested the Power belts performed the poorest in penetration and mass retention. The first time I shot the power belt the largestpiece I found wasno bigger than apencil eraser the second and last time a piece no larger than a dime.These tests were performed 1 year apart with different bullets from friends. I can't understand the reason that it happened but it did. I guess I will blame it on the gun.Most be shooting to fast.GoodLuck hunting JT