CVA Kodiak?
 

Hey i was at basspro today and i was looking at the CVA Kodiak Pro. It looks like a really nice gun but i was wondering what u guys think about it? What i liked about the CVA Kodiak is that for $270 it comes with a stainless steel barrel and camo. I also looked at the Omega.The stainless steel with camo is about $510. Do u guys think its worth spending the extra $200+ to buy the Omega? This will be my first muzzleloader but i dont want to make the mistakeof buying one im not going to be happy with for not spending the extra money. I holded both of the rifles and they both felt really good. So what do u guys think? Worth the extra money or not?

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

Kodiak is a good rifle for the price. Now personally, if you are going to scope it, you're better off buying a shotgun slugger or a centerfire rifle. Using a scope on a muzzleloader pretty much takes the point of muzzleloading away. Im from colorado so owning an omega is out of question due to the lack of accuracy people have when using conicals. Its a sabot gun. You're going to get the typical, buy the omega, it has a transferable warranty, better quality, made in USA and not that spain junk! Ive pretty much heard it all and then find 3 or 4 threads about why wont their omega hit the target or why cant they do better than 6" groups at 50 yards. But hey i like the cva, winchester brands and for $500 for a muzzleloader, i'll spend that on a centerfire and not on a muzzleloader. I dont care who makes it, $500 is way to much for something that only carries 1 shot. has to be reloaded by hand and has a max range of 150 yards if your good. Buy what attracts you the most.

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

Is the CVA Kodiak .50 caliberthe same thing as the CVA Kodiak .50 caliber 209 Magnum or are they differente?

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

IMO, If you must get a CVA, Please get the Kodiak Pro Magnum in Stainless Steel or the Optima Elite in SS.

http://cva.com/products/rifle_kodiakpro.htm

http://cva.com/products/rifle_optelite.htm

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

I would not say for sure, but the KodiaK Pro VS the Kodiak Magnum might account for the stainless steel barrel VS blue or nickel barrel. Also the sights I heard were better on the Pro but never have had the pleasure to handle one to comment further.

Good luck on what ever you select.

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

Whats the difference between the magnum and the regular Kodiak?

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

They both are magnum guns. If you want, go to the CVA site and you can read the specs on the two different rifles and judge for yourself.

http://www.cva.com/

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

Should of thought of that. Lol. Thanks

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

You get more toys buying the "loaded" Kodiak versus a "stripped' Omega.But what you don't get is a full lifetime, owner transferable warrranty T/C offers. Also... odds are, you also probably won't get three pellet accuracy that the T/Cs Omegas/Encores are well noted for. Again... odds are, by purchasing that Kodiak, you get a nice two pellet gun with a typical, dime-a-dozenlimited warranty.

You decide which direction you want to go with this... after all, you will be the one using it.:eek:


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RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

where in the TC manual does it say transferable? lol... Its a LIMITED LIFETIME warranty, same as cva. And CVA treats their customers very well! They sent me a newrifle as an replacementfor my old 1980's cva blazer when a gun smith screwed up my breech plug. And wheres all the talk about the 3 pellet accuracy of the omega/ encore? All ive been seeing on here is, WTF's wrong with my omega? it wont shoot a tight pattern! lol. And the difference between the kodiak and kodiak pro is the Pro comes with a 29" fluted stainless steel barrel or camo barrel. The regular kodiak is 28" nickel. And most accuracy in muzzleloaders is obtained with 100-120 grain charges. check this kodiak, for a few bucks more, buy this sucker! If i didnt own an inline i would pick it up in a heart beat. And im going to email TC and ask about this transferable life time warranty. Personally, if you think thats the reason to by a TC... haha thats pretty sad.

http://cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templa...amp;hasJS=true

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

CVA(BPI) has days when they treat customer complaints very well. You caught them on a good day.

All parts on T/C guns are lifetime. Not lifetime for the original owner -- but lifetime for the entire gun. Wherever the gun goes -- the warranty continues.

Read paragraph3 of Randy Wakeman's review about their transferable warranty.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/thompson_omega_Z-5.htm

Now read paragraph 4 after scrolling down to the elite MLs discussion.,,, beyond the mid-level CVAs.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/rating_muzzleloading_manufacturers.htm

Here's the part about T/C's lifetime warranty

http://www.tcarms.com/tc_html/TC_FAQ01.htm#3


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RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

Whats the difference between nickel and stainless steel? Is it worth paying $70 more for the SS?

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

I have a Kodiak and love it. I am only shooting 45grns of BM3 and I don't remember the projectial but it hits the target just fine at 25yds. They are also easy to clean. I am getting ready to work up a hunting load for it so the powder and projectial will probably change. I say it is worth the money.

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

Yes... they are very serviceable MLs. I am not knocking them here. I own a CVA myself.

This thread is now partially engaged inproduct brandattack mode. So slam all the guns you want without me here.

I'm outa'here. Anymore questions from the newbies here can be answered by personal-messaging me. I will be glad to help.


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RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

You get more toys buying the "loaded" Kodiak versus a "stripped' Omega.But what you don't get is a full lifetime, owner transferable warrranty T/C offers.

You get a full lifetime warranty so long as you are the Original purchaser. If they offered a transferable warranty, they'd advertise it and it would be on the website. I dont see anything. And i dont see full lifetime warranty, what i read is, A Limited Lifetime warranty.

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

How"misinformed" are you Gander???????

You don''t get it do you?????

There's no reason for T/C Inc to say it - when it already exists inside their lifetime warranty. If you don;t believe me, call T/C Inc and hear it from the horse's mouth.

LIFETIME means transferable -- unless stated otherwise. Sounds pretty simple to me.

See Ya on the next thread. Next time thou.... either do your homework first by calling T/C - so mixups like this doesn't occur.

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RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

"3: Does Thompson/Center Arms really have a lifetime warranty?
Yes, our limited lifetime warranty covers the product through the lifetime of the original purchaser, except in the case of obvious abuse or neglect.

Again, it offers a LIMITED LIFETIME warranty that covers the product of the ORIGINAL purchaser. It does not mention that it covers a second owner of the rifle. And since when does "limited lifetime" mean its transferable? You can say LIFETIME all you want but you are over looking the word LIMITED
Your words were "LIFETIME means transferable" Since when? It states that their products come with a LIMITED LIFETIME Warranty Of the Original purchaser. Does not state anywhere that it covers the second, third and so on owners. Hell the pistol i bought from cabelas has a limited lifetime warranty, they sent me a new hammer when the 3 week old pistols original went bad, they sent me a new pistol when the pin that holds the shaft that the drum spins on fell out. They sent me a new pistol again when the 2nd pistol kept jamming and locking up, they sent me a 4th pistol and that was a bigger piece of crap, finally they gave up and refunded my money thankfully. But the word LIFETIME does not mean transferable. You buy a used car that has only 5,000 miles, you dont get a factory warranty, you get what the car dealer ship offers. Limited lifetime warranty for the original owner only. And i notice you wont use the word limited, why not? are you over looking the part that says, "limited" lifetime warrantyto the original purchaser? Oh maybe i get it, the original buyer gets a limited lifetime warranty and the second owner gets a full lifetime warranty no questions asked?

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

You seem to believe what you want ... so believe what you read if you want!

Do you really think inline guru Randy Wakeman is intentionally lying in his two T/C ML reviews????

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RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

do you think i care what randy wakeman says? i read his review about the winchester x150 and wasnt very impressed. If randy took a crap in a bottle and gave a limited lifetime guarantethat itstays fresh and full of flavor you'd probably believe it. But face it, TC says the its a limited lifetime warranty to the original purchaser. And im sure TC never checks the customers if they are the original owner, i know cva didnt, they just said, sorry about that, its fixed, hope you enjoy it.

RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

All that is-is wording protection to allow T/C Inc the right to deny claims to dealers and gunsmiths who apply for hundreds of claims.

For the everyday-Joe who owns a couple of T/C MLs & is not in a buy & sell program.... those words do not apply.

Will T/C Inc admit something like that in a phone conversation -- No. But all you need to do is ask the T/C owners who are eligible for warranty work for the entire lifetime of their ML. They will tell you T/C fixes or replaces parts free... even 20 years later.

The best part of T/C's warranty is replacing parts that are not broke - but only wore-out. Go ahead & shoot those Omegas one hundred thousand times & wear-out that barrel. T/C will replace it free.

Will they tell you that by phone?.... I seriously doubt it.

Try that with CVA. Try getting any part free for that CVA in 20 years. What you will hear is -- Limited Warranty - Claim Denied!

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RE: CVA Kodiak?
 

Triple 7, you said you were out of this thread twice. How disappointing you are still here.

Does Randy Wakeman work for TC and speak for them? If he does, what good are his puffed up reviews? If he doesn't, he is not one to publicly say that they the warranty is transferable. If you can not read it somewhere, written by TC, it doesn't exist. They can replace all they want and it is a business decision that they do that. Word of mouth about customer service goes a long way.

But for Randy Wakeman and Triple 7 to spout that TC has an transferable lifetime warranty, or however you state it is blowing smoke. Unless it is in writing, it doesn't exist, period. They can replace all they want, but legally they don't have to. Tomorrow, they can change their mind.